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Old Sat May 15, 2010, 07:31pm
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Here's one for Ed.

Announcer makes the comment that she heard an unbelievable statistic the other day. The Philadelphia Phillies will be attempting to make it to their 3rd straight World Series this year and no team has done that since the Cardinals in the '40s, pre-WWII. Huh?

It was actually the Cardinals in 42, 43 & 44, right in the middle of the war
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Old Sat May 15, 2010, 08:25pm
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Ouch!!

Plate umpire takes a ball off the batter's elbow to the stomach and goes down. Patti Lyons left the game in the top of the 5th and was replaced by Scott Brians.

I guess it will be the umpire's fault for whomever loses the game.
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Old Sat May 15, 2010, 08:32pm
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As predicted, LSU is coming back Just tied the game up with a 4-run (so far) 5th inning.

Announcer (Smith, I think) talking about how the pitcher couldn't throw fro the 15+ minutes they were waiting for a replacement umpire.

I know if this happened in ASA, I'm letting the pitcher throw as much as she elects to during th delay.

Anything in NCAA which would prohibit that?
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Old Sat May 15, 2010, 08:37pm
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Did it look like Patti got hit in the ribs or the groin? Was he even wearing a chest protector? It looked like it hit him high in the chest and then the groin, but it didn't look like a hard hit. Must have hit him right on a rib or something?
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Old Sat May 15, 2010, 08:54pm
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belt buckle maybe?

Pat was 'knocked out' on a foul tip a year or so ago too.

(that being said, I love his zone behind the plate)
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belt buckle maybe?

Pat was 'knocked out' on a foul tip a year or so ago too.

(that being said, I love his zone behind the plate)
Here we go again. That was NOT a foul tip. Dave
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Old Sat May 15, 2010, 09:04pm
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Here we go again. That was NOT a foul tip. Dave
(hanging head in shame)
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Old Sat May 15, 2010, 08:54pm
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Did it look like Patti got hit in the ribs or the groin? Was he even wearing a chest protector? It looked like it hit him high in the chest and then the groin, but it didn't look like a hard hit. Must have hit him right on a rib or something?
He may have been wearing one, but not a full one. At first, I thought maybe it caught him in the groin just above the cup, but I think it caught him just below the rib cage.

This year, I dug out my old ribbed Rawlings UGP CP I bought about 40 years ago. Very comfortable and provides great protection from the collar bone to the belt buckle.
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The hit down the left field line by Alabama for what should have been a double. The 3BU had good postion but called her out when she was safe easily. The girl slid in head first, hands touched second, body then came into the base and then the tag was made. Looked like an easy one to get right. Dave
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Old Sat May 15, 2010, 09:05pm
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The hit down the left field line by Alabama for what should have been a double. The 3BU had good postion but called her out when she was safe easily. The girl slid in head first, hands touched second, body then came into the base and then the tag was made. Looked like an easy one to get right. Dave
We saw a different play. No doubt it was close, but I saw the runner with an abnormal wide turn and approach angle try to reach the base with a hand to the fielder's left foot blocking the base (legally). But I thought the tag was there before the body got to the base. Left hand may have gotten in, but the umpire didn't have TV and replays.

I was actually paying more attention to the point she didn't seem to finish her overhand.
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We saw a different play. No doubt it was close, but I saw the runner with an abnormal wide turn and approach angle try to reach the base with a hand to the fielder's left foot blocking the base (legally). But I thought the tag was there before the body got to the base. Left hand may have gotten in, but the umpire didn't have TV and replays.

I was actually paying more attention to the point she didn't seem to finish her overhand.
Maybe she was out since she didn't get upset. Left hand looked to be into bag before the tag, which would have been closest to the umpire, but I have DVR slow motion which umpire didn't. Dave
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Old Sat May 15, 2010, 09:00pm
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People complaining about umpires, someone better check that bottle on the scorekeeper's desk.

Batter swings at a pitch in the dirt long before the catcher has an opportunity and they ruled it a passed ball.

I have no idea how anyone would expect the catcher to cleanly field a ball in the dirt with a bat in your line of vision.
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Old Sat May 15, 2010, 10:49pm
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Batter swings at a pitch in the dirt long before the catcher has an opportunity and they ruled it a passed ball.

I have no idea how anyone would expect the catcher to cleanly field a ball in the dirt with a bat in your line of vision.
That's why they get the big bucks. Any coach at that level would expect it.
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Old Sun May 16, 2010, 01:46am
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People complaining about umpires, someone better check that bottle on the scorekeeper's desk.

Batter swings at a pitch in the dirt long before the catcher has an opportunity and they ruled it a passed ball.

I have no idea how anyone would expect the catcher to cleanly field a ball in the dirt with a bat in your line of vision.
Was that the actual scorer's ruling or the TV announcer's?

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That's why they get the big bucks. Any coach at that level would expect it.
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NCAA 14.27 Wild Pitch
A wild pitch is charged to a pitcher when the pitch is so high, wide or low that the catcher cannot handle the ball with ordinary effort and at least one runner advances. Any pitch in the dirt is wild. Only one wild pitch is recorded regardless of the number of runners who advance or the number of bases advanced. A third strike not handled by the catcher because it was wild, when the batter reaches first base safely, is scored as both a wild pitch and a strikeout. No wild pitch is charged if a runner stealing on the pitch advances only one base. A wild pitch is not an error.
What the coach expects doesn't matter to the official scorer, the scoring rule does.

If they had four umps there why didn't they just work a four-person crew? Obviously if any of the umps were hurt or injured they could then go to a three-person crew.

Is this solely for the sake of consistency with the regular season?
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Old Sun May 16, 2010, 08:35am
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The NCAA softball doesn't use 4 I would assume, because they do not have it in the SUIP manual. All aspects of umpiring is covered in the manual and they do not prescribe to 4 man mechanics.
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