Tag Ups - Time Play not a Force Out

[Canary]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

If there's no runner on 1B at the start of the play, then that's correct. In this sitch, R2 would not be forced to advance to 3B. The appeal, in this case, is a timing play.

So the R1 run would count, even though they were touch out order. Would that be considered as a R2 passing R1?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Canary

So the R1 run would count, even though they were touch out order. Would that be considered as a R2 passing R1?

I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. Could you clarify your situation?

[Canary]

R1 @ 3B
R2 @ 2B
2 outs
BR hits....

R1 goes home
R2 goes home, but misses third.
An appeal on 3B and the R2 is out. A time-play.
However, does the run count?
If this is a time-play, then the R1 run would count???

Sitch #2:
R1 @ 2B
R2 @ 1B
2 outs
Br Hits ... a tripple

R1 goes home (the lead runner), but misses 3B
R2 goes home with a clean run.

An appeal at 3B, and R1 is out.
Since R2 actual completed the bases before R1, does the run count? or is it considered as R2 has passed R1?

[youngump]

Originally Posted by Canary

R1 @ 3B
R2 @ 2B
2 outs
BR hits....

R1 goes home
R2 goes home, but misses third.
An appeal on 3B and the R2 is out. A time-play.
However, does the run count?
If this is a time-play, then the R1 run would count???

Sitch #2:
R1 @ 2B
R2 @ 1B
2 outs
Br Hits ... a tripple

R1 goes home (the lead runner), but misses 3B
R2 goes home with a clean run.

An appeal at 3B, and R1 is out.
Since R2 actual completed the bases before R1, does the run count? or is it considered as R2 has passed R1?

No run can score after the third out is made. There are situations where runs that score before the third out is made don't count.
One is if the BR doesn't safely reach first or any runner is forced out. Another is if a proceeding runner is called out on appeal.

Your first situation is called a time play because the determinant is whether R1 scored before R2 was called out. It doesn't apply any exception.

Your second situation R2 is not deemed to have passed the runner and is not out (which would matter if there were less than two outs). But no runner can score behind a runner who is appealed out for the third out. So the run does not score.
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[greymule]

So the R1 run would count, even though they were touch out order. Would that be considered as a R2 passing R1?

No, if a runner misses a base and then a following runner touches that base, the following runner is not considered to have "passed" the preceding runner. Passing means physically passing.

The appeal on a runner who has left before the first touch that leads to a catch is never a force play. If it's the third out, any preceding runners that scored before the out count. Following runners who scored do not count.

An appeal of a missed base can be either a force play or a time play, depending on the circumstances. But know that the various codes are not completely aligned on this matter. For example, an appeal of a missed base might be a force play in baseball but not in softball, even on the exact same type of play.

[Canary]

Originally Posted by greymule

So the R1 run would count, even though they were touch out order. Would that be considered as a R2 passing R1?

No, if a runner misses a base and then a following runner touches that base, the following runner is not considered to have "passed" the preceding runner. Passing means physically passing.

The appeal on a runner who has left before the first touch that leads to a catch is never a force play. If it's the third out, any preceding runners that scored before the out count. Following runners who scored do not count.

An appeal of a missed base can be either a force play or a time play, depending on the circumstances. But know that the various codes are not completely aligned on this matter. For example, an appeal of a missed base might be a force play in baseball but not in softball, even on the exact same type of play.

Okay so in any event, if the scored run is actually behind the third out on the bases, even though they crossed ALL bases correctly, even though the third out was an appeal, the run does not count.

I,m trying to sum this up.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Canary

Okay so in any event, if the scored run is actually behind the third out on the bases, even though they crossed ALL bases correctly, even though the third out was an appeal, the run does not count.

I,m trying to sum this up.

Correct. How can I score if the runner in front of me was the third out?