do not pitch/"time"/illegal pitch

[okla21fan]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

No, I don't.

Just for clarification sake, While you are holding up the pitcher with the 'do not pitch' signal can the following take place? (ASA rule set)

1) The pitcher place both feet on the rubber, with hands separated, and then bring the hand together. (meaning, once you declare 'ready' , would the pitcher have to 'restart' the preliminary of the pitch or simply continue?)

2) while unlikely, could you have a LBR violation or base runner leaving a bag early prior to the pitch?

TIA

[CecilOne]

It seems to me that the pause for a sign or simulation is to protect the batter from a "quick pitch". As the batter often also relaxes or steps out on a "do not pitch" situation, the sign/simulation should take place after the "do not pitch" is over.
I don't see this as a time out or not issue, just a question of the rule intent.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

It seems to me that the pause for a sign or simulation is to protect the batter from a "quick pitch". As the batter often also relaxes or steps out on a "do not pitch" situation, the sign/simulation should take place after the "do not pitch" is over.
I don't see this as a time out or not issue, just a question of the rule intent.

JMO, but you are looking at it exactly opposite how I look at it. The only valid reason to hold up the pitcher with DNP is because the batter hasn't had a chance to get ready. If the batter doesn't choose to get ready while I'm holding up the pitcher, then after that, it isn't a "quick pitch", it is a stupid batter.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

JMO, but you are looking at it exactly opposite how I look at it. The only valid reason to hold up the pitcher with DNP is because the batter hasn't had a chance to get ready. If the batter doesn't choose to get ready while I'm holding up the pitcher, then after that, it isn't a "quick pitch", it is a stupid batter.

And I've seen that too, but believe the batter being ready (slowly or quickly) starts the whole sequence, else the required pause is meaningless.

[ronald]

my two cents.

you are the pu. the hands are your business. partner out of line.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by ronald

my two cents.

you are the pu. the hands are your business. partner out of line.

The CCA Manual agrees also (6.10 pg.92-93)

[Little Jimmy]

My partner is a good umpire who I'd go on the field with anytime. He was/is simply very sure of his interpretation, while I was banking on mine. It's the difference(or not) between DNP and "time" that was at the heart of the matter. The idea of a runner leaving the bag early while I have my hand holding the pitcher up, only for me to say "I had time", and not have any penalty, didn't set right with me.

[bniu]

just call time, and when the batter gets set, you get set and point to the pitcher "play". If she quick pitches, declare a no-pitch and if she asks why, tell her that you haven't lifted the "time" call yet. Usually the pitcher gets the hint after once or twice. The pitcher quick pitching is one of the reasons I will never put on my mask directly behind the plate. If the mask comes off, I step to the side, put my mask on, and step back behind the catcher. If I see the pitcher pitching, a quick "time" call usually gets her to stop...

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by okla21fan

Just for clarification sake, While you are holding up the pitcher with the 'do not pitch' signal can the following take place? (ASA rule set)

1) The pitcher place both feet on the rubber, with hands separated, and then bring the hand together. (meaning, once you declare 'ready' , would the pitcher have to 'restart' the preliminary of the pitch or simply continue?)

That seems to be a contradiction, but when you are holding the pitcher, that is all you are doing, holding the pitcher. Since "holding" a pitcher is means by which an umpire prevents a quick pitch, the batter should be prepared or you wouldn't let her pitch, right?

2) while unlikely, could you have a LBR violation or base runner leaving a bag early prior to the pitch?

TIA

Can't say without seeing it, but I would not discount the possibility.

OTOH, ger rid of the LBR and that issue would disappear.

[okla21fan]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

That seems to be a contradiction, but when you are holding the pitcher, that is all you are doing, holding the pitcher. Since "holding" a pitcher is means by which an umpire prevents a quick pitch, the batter should be prepared or you wouldn't let her pitch, right?

Agreed, I am trying to understand if I am doing the correct mechanic when I 'hold' the pitcher. Currently, I am allowing her to perform the preliminaries, prior to the 'starting' of the pitch. I have seen other umpires, who would require to restart the pitch from the 'preliminaries'. It seems a little of defeating the purpose and slowing the game even further to force the pitcher to restart the preliminaries.



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[ronald]

we are not calling into question the credentials of your partner. he made a mistake. can you see this? are you willing to say that and believe that? may be you have done this earlier and that case, ignore the questions.

this is not one of those situations where the other ump comes in and helps out the other ump. he was out of line and needs to be told that by you or someone else.

now i have given four cents. pocket is empty.

[Little Jimmy]

It's all cool , Ronald. Every ump makes a mistake or two, maybe even Mike (this is where I'd put a smiley face if I knew how to). I'm just trying to get all the info I can before I do a "who's right and who's wrong" thing.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Little Jimmy

It's all cool , Ronald. Every ump makes a mistake or two, maybe even Mike (this is where I'd put a smiley face if I knew how to). .

Just click on the one you want to the right of the text box. The appropriate one for your comment is , but could be or .

BTW, I don't remember being at that game ("My partner is a good umpire who I'd go on the field with anytime")