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You are correct LJ, they are different signals with different meanings. Following your partner's reasoning, the pitcher can make any illegal move other than putting a foreign substance on the ball and not be called for it because, in his mind, your "do not pitch" signal is a complete suspension of play. "Do not pitch" means simply that.
And, as I'm sure you know, a quick pitch is not an illegal pitch provided the pitcher's preliminary requirements are met. Last edited by topper; Mon Apr 12, 2010 at 11:44am. Reason: grammar |
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NCAA 10.9 ASA 6.10 (c) LJ....Your partner was wrong on this. Based on your OP, IMO I feel you were handling the sitch correctly from your end as the PU. Question....did you and your BU cover IP's in your pre-game? |
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My partner and I have worked together numerous times and I consider him to be one of the top umps I go on the field with. We did not cover this specific situation, but afterwards he said he was calling the hands issue because he thought I was missing something.
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1) What did he think it was that you were missing with the hands? 2) What position was he in when he made the IP call? 3) How many times did he make this call? 4) At what point did he discuss with you "what he thought you were missing"? |
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My partner was in C each time. He made 3 illegal pitch calls from that positon (by the way, I made 2 other unrelated illegal calls at other times in the game. The girl simply didn't know the mechanics). Between innings he asked me if I was going to start calling the illegals, since the hand motions/timings are generally the plate's responsibility. I explained that I did not feel the same way he did and that I felt she was taking the sign when I was holding up the pitcher with a do not pitch signal. We agreed to disagree at that moment. Once again he felt that my do not pitch signal meant "time" and that the pitcher could not simulate taking a pitch when "time was granted.
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No, I don't.
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Just for clarification sake, While you are holding up the pitcher with the 'do not pitch' signal can the following take place? (ASA rule set)
1) The pitcher place both feet on the rubber, with hands separated, and then bring the hand together. (meaning, once you declare 'ready' , would the pitcher have to 'restart' the preliminary of the pitch or simply continue?) 2) while unlikely, could you have a LBR violation or base runner leaving a bag early prior to the pitch? TIA |
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It seems to me that the pause for a sign or simulation is to protect the batter from a "quick pitch". As the batter often also relaxes or steps out on a "do not pitch" situation, the sign/simulation should take place after the "do not pitch" is over.
I don't see this as a time out or not issue, just a question of the rule intent.
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OTOH, ger rid of the LBR and that issue would disappear.
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we are not calling into question the credentials of your partner. he made a mistake. can you see this? are you willing to say that and believe that? may be you have done this earlier and that case, ignore the questions.
this is not one of those situations where the other ump comes in and helps out the other ump. he was out of line and needs to be told that by you or someone else. now i have given four cents. pocket is empty. |
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