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Old Fri Mar 19, 2010, 09:07pm
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Two test questions

NFHS test questions but I'm curious to know what the ruling would be (if different) in ASA and PONY.


About interference:

No runs will ever be allowed to score after interference on a runner is declared.




About the DP/FLEX:

The DP may play defense, but if she does, the role of the DP is terminated for the remainder of the game.



What my organization said the answers were ....



I'll post later.
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Old Fri Mar 19, 2010, 11:35pm
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And the answers are....

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NFHS test questions but I'm curious to know what the ruling would be (if different) in ASA and PONY.


About interference:

No runs will ever be allowed to score after interference on a runner is declared.
Not true. If there was a runner on third and they score before the interference then the run counts.

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About the DP/FLEX:

The DP may play defense, but if she does, the role of the DP is terminated for the remainder of the game.

Again not true. The DP can play defense for any of the other 8 players. Even the FLEX. In that case the FLEX has left the game but the role of the DP is not terminated.
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Old Sat Mar 20, 2010, 07:32am
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Thank you rwest.

I completely agree with your second answer, but the first one I want to clarify.

the question states that:

No runs will ever be allowed to score after interference on a runner is declared.

My thinking is that is true.

Once you have declared interference, the ball is dead, and all runners return to the last base they occupied at the time of the interference. In that case, no runner can be sent home....or am I missing something?


by the way, the "correct" answers I was given were:

No runners will ever be allowed to score after interference on a runner is declared.

False. (if that is the case, I want to know what situation CAN they score AFTER interference is called.)

The DP may play defense, but if she does, the role of the DP is terminated for the remainder of the game.

True. (Which CAN'T be, because the DP/FLEX role can never be terminated - unless you don't have enough players remaining due to substitutions or injury, and even then it's not terminated, you are not able to use it.)

Can someone clarify my confusion?
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Old Sat Mar 20, 2010, 11:10am
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Thank you rwest.

I completely agree with your second answer, but the first one I want to clarify.

the question states that:

No runs will ever be allowed to score after interference on a runner is declared.

My thinking is that is true.

Once you have declared interference, the ball is dead, and all runners return to the last base they occupied at the time of the interference. In that case, no runner can be sent home....or am I missing something?


by the way, the "correct" answers I was given were:

No runners will ever be allowed to score after interference on a runner is declared.

False. (if that is the case, I want to know what situation CAN they score AFTER interference is called.)

The DP may play defense, but if she does, the role of the DP is terminated for the remainder of the game.

True. (Which CAN'T be, because the DP/FLEX role can never be terminated - unless you don't have enough players remaining due to substitutions or injury, and even then it's not terminated, you are not able to use it.)

Can someone clarify my confusion?
Who gave you the "correct" answers?
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Old Sat Mar 20, 2010, 11:28pm
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False. (if that is the case, I want to know what situation CAN they score AFTER interference is called.)Can someone clarify my confusion?
Fastpitch, or slowpitch where homeruns must be run out by all players. R1 on 1st base with no outs, B2 hits an out-of-the park homerun. R1 misses 3rd base, and the third base coach physically stops R1, and physically assists R1 back to touch 3rd.

Ruling: R1 is ruled out by coach interference, but B2 scores (assuming all bases properly touched).
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Old Sun Mar 21, 2010, 09:58am
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by the way, the "correct" answers I was given were:

No runners will ever be allowed to score after interference on a runner is declared.

False. (if that is the case, I want to know what situation CAN they score AFTER interference is called.)

The DP may play defense, but if she does, the role of the DP is terminated for the remainder of the game.

True. (Which CAN'T be, because the DP/FLEX role can never be terminated - unless you don't have enough players remaining due to substitutions or injury, and even then it's not terminated, you are not able to use it.)
If so, does that make the test writers a bit unethical.
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Old Sun Mar 21, 2010, 10:08am
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Fastpitch, or slowpitch where homeruns must be run out by all players. R1 on 1st base with no outs, B2 hits an out-of-the park homerun. R1 misses 3rd base, and the third base coach physically stops R1, and physically assists R1 back to touch 3rd.

Ruling: R1 is ruled out by coach interference, but B2 scores (assuming all bases properly touched).
If we are speaking ASA, must the ball not be live for "runner's assistence" (which is not interference) for the runner to be ruled out? (8.7.E)
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Old Sun Mar 21, 2010, 11:19am
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If we are speaking ASA, must the ball not be live for "runner's assistence" (which is not interference) for the runner to be ruled out? (8.7.E)
I'm not sure about that one. What about that situation last season or the year before where the batter hit an over the fence HR but injured her knee. It was the defensive players who carried her around the bases so she could touch 'em all. Technically, if she couldn't continue and the defense hadn't carried her, could a substitute have run for her? What if there were no subs available?
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Old Sun Mar 21, 2010, 11:29am
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NFHS test questions but I'm curious to know what the ruling would be (if different) in ASA and PONY.


About interference:

No runs will ever be allowed to score after interference on a runner is declared.




About the DP/FLEX:

The DP may play defense, but if she does, the role of the DP is terminated for the remainder of the game.



What my organization said the answers were ....



I'll post later.
I am just curious why you are taking the NF test in NY.....NYSSO specifically uses ASA JO rules... are there schools there that play NFHS???
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Old Sun Mar 21, 2010, 02:52pm
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I'm not sure about that one. What about that situation last season or the year before where the batter hit an over the fence HR but injured her knee. It was the defensive players who carried her around the bases so she could touch 'em all. Technically, if she couldn't continue and the defense hadn't carried her, could a substitute have run for her? What if there were no subs available?
Yes. While it made good press, the umpires kicked the call. From NCAA Rule Book:

8.5.3.2 If an injury to a batter-runner or runner prevents her from
proceeding to an awarded base, the ball is dead and substitution may
be made. The substitute must legally touch all awarded or missed
bases not previously touched.

However, my response was specific to ASA. But this is also from NCAA Rule Book:

12.9.5 When a coach or anyone other than another runner who has not yet crossed the plate physically assists her while she is actively running the bases and the ball is in play.

So, it seems the NCAA is similar if not the same as ASA.
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