must obstructed runner physically touch base?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

I would love to rely on the wording of "and all other runners affected" to not call the out on BR, but the clear exception of passing makes that difficult (although it does specify that exception to the obstructed runner, not necessarily to others affected by the obstruction, so I might have an argument).

See, this is where things get touchy with coaches. The rule squarely place the onus of properly calling all situations correctly. In a perfect world, the trailing runners should stop and not pass another active runner and TRUST the umpire to rule accordingly.

As we see on this and other boards, not to mention the field, some umpires take it upon themselves (or the direction of others who think they are the Ford Co. and have "a better idea") to interject their perception of "fairness" into the game.

Hell, you guys in CA don't call ****! According to the parents and coaches, illegal pitches, obstruction and interference are NEVER called in CA!

Therefore, you cannot be trusted and the coaches have to take matters into their own hands and then challenge you to "ignore" the correct call.

The rules are there to level the playing field. Many forget there are two teams out there and what may seem fair for one may actually negate the good and proper play by the other.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Huh? What does the pitcher or a line drive have to do with a runner sliding into home?

It has nothing to do with this play. I tried to illustrate a game situation where I would likely immediately call time out. In this case R1 did not require immediate medical attention. She could survive with an "owie" for another few seconds.

[Tru_in_Blu]

We've previously discussed the situation with runners on base and the BR hits an over the fence HR and passes the runner on 1B. (Let's not muddy this w/ the SP version and no one has to run any bases.)

In a situation with 2 outs if this happens, the BR is immediately declared out, but all preceeding runners are allowed to score, even after the third out has been made.

Now the HR is a dead ball so the preceeding runners are allowed to score.

In my situation when R1 is hurt after the obstruction, we have a delayed dead ball. R1 wasn't the runner who passed another runner as mentioned, but the BR, I think, should be called out for passing another runner.

If the preceeding runners can score on a "grand slam single", I'm inclined to allow R1 to score since she was obstructed, we had a delayed dead ball, and she's entitled to HP.

I'm sure a lot of you veteran umps could sell it either way. By rule, what's the proper call?

[Stevetheump]

So my questions:
1) Did R1, by leaving the field of play after the obstruction call, forfeit her right to come back onto the field and physically touch HP? Could she have come out of the dugout, walked over to HP and stepped on it legally?
2) Had the defense appealed prior to the next pitch, would R1 be out on appeal?
3) If the throw from F2 had sailed into left field and B2 scored, would 2 runs score? I.E. If defense appealed R1 missed HP, as the third out, subsequent run(s) would not count? Or, after the play, R1 could not go back to touch HP after a subsequent runner had scored?

Under ASA rules:
1. I would say yes, she forfeited her right to touch HP once she entered the dugout.
2. Yes, she would be out. It is still the RUNNER'S responsiblity to touch any and all bases (including HP).
3. Yes, if the defense does NOT appeal, both runs count.
If the defense did make a proper appeal, NO runs would score.