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Old Sat Dec 12, 2009, 12:56am
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I agree, and I would rule in the same way. It's just that "and" in the definition that needs to be corrected. U-Trip bats do not appear on the current non-approved bat list published on the ASA website.

I say the current definition is just an oversight from when they changed the rule for 2009, but one that I wanted to point out.
And I'm saying it is irrelevant since they were never "approved" to become "non-approved".

Parse the sentence like this.

The official bat shall be [smooth and round to 0.050 inches in diameter] and [bear either the ASA 2000 certification mark or the ASA 2004 certification mark as shown below ( in the 2010 ASA Rule Book) and must not be listed on the ASA Non Approved Bat List.]

IOW, the "must not be listed on the ASA Non Approved Bat List" applies only to those with an ASA certification mark on them which excludes all the bats to which you are referring.
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Old Sat Dec 12, 2009, 08:59am
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And I'm saying it is irrelevant since they were never "approved" to become "non-approved".

Parse the sentence like this.

The official bat shall be [smooth and round to 0.050 inches in diameter] and [bear either the ASA 2000 certification mark or the ASA 2004 certification mark as shown below ( in the 2010 ASA Rule Book) and must not be listed on the ASA Non Approved Bat List.]

IOW, the "must not be listed on the ASA Non Approved Bat List" applies only to those with an ASA certification mark on them which excludes all the bats to which you are referring.
That's not the "and" to which I'm referring. I'm referring to the definition of a non-approved bat:

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NON-APPROVED BAT: A bat that does not meet ASA specifications and is on the current non-approved bat list.
U-Trip sticks don't appear on the non-approved list anymore as of Jan 1, 2009.

Mike, I agree with your ruling. I'm just saying that the printed definition of a non-approved bat should more accurately reflect what really is a non-approved bat.
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Old Sat Dec 12, 2009, 09:12am
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That's not the "and" to which I'm referring. I'm referring to the definition of a non-approved bat:



U-Trip sticks don't appear on the non-approved list anymore as of Jan 1, 2009.

Mike, I agree with your ruling. I'm just saying that the printed definition of a non-approved bat should more accurately reflect what really is a non-approved bat.
Than I do not understand your original argument as it hasn't changed since last year.
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Old Sat Dec 12, 2009, 09:32am
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Than I do not understand your original argument as it hasn't changed since last year.
U-Trip bats are not on the non-approved list published on the ASA website. Only bats that have the stamp, but were later non-approved.
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Old Sat Dec 12, 2009, 12:05pm
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U-Trip bats are not on the non-approved list published on the ASA website. Only bats that have the stamp, but were later non-approved.
And the rule is the same this year as last.

The Non-approved Bat List refers only to those that were previously approved and for one reason or another lost that certification. The RULE clearly (at least IMO) indicates that.
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Old Sat Dec 12, 2009, 12:25pm
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And the rule is the same this year as last.

The Non-approved Bat List refers only to those that were previously approved and for one reason or another lost that certification. The RULE clearly (at least IMO) indicates that.
I agree. So does that make a U-Trip bat simply an illegal bat? Out + no ejection?
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