Out of batter's box

[CCassistcoach]

It looks like different rule for different organizations, but wanted more information. Can't understand why this rule would be different between organizations. Here is question...

Batter/slapper's "wheel" foot steps in front of home plate (field has not been re-lined and lines non-existent) and slaps ball foul.
Is batter out?
What I have found...
USFA says batter out only if ball hit in fair territory. NSA unclear. USSSA says batter out fair or foul (but if lines are not evident, benefit of doubt should go to batter). ASA-can't find rule.

Thanks for responses.

[RKBUmp]

The batter is out,

7-6-D When an entire foot is touching the ground completely outside the lines of the batter's box at the time the ball makes contact with the bat.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

The batter is out,

7-6-D When an entire foot is touching the ground completely outside the lines of the batter's box at the time the ball makes contact with the bat.

For clarification, that's the ASA rule that RKBUmp is giving. Please note that it does not specify whether the ball was hit fair or foul. As such, it does not matter whether the ball was hit fair or foul.

[argodad]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

The batter is out,

7-6-D When an entire foot is touching the ground completely outside the lines of the batter's box at the time the ball makes contact with the bat.

And it does not matter that the chalk lines aren't there. The batter's box is still there, it's still the same size, and the umpire has a pretty good idea of where the line would be if it were lined properly.

And the same rule applies for NFHS and NCAA. Batter is out.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by argodad

And it does not matter that the chalk lines aren't there. The batter's box is still there, it's still the same size, and the umpire has a pretty good idea of where the line would be if it were lined properly.

And the same rule applies for NFHS and NCAA. Batter is out.

Is it also a dead ball in NFHS and NCAA? The ball would be dead in ASA...

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Is it also a dead ball in NFHS and NCAA? The ball would be dead in ASA...

It's a dead ball in USSSA, at least in the slow-pitch game. Called this so many times this year I feel like it's become a trademark for me.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

It's a dead ball in USSSA, at least in the slow-pitch game. Called this so many times this year I feel like it's become a trademark for me.

After I made this call only one time in my last tourney, I got a 15-minute lecture from the AUIC on how to make this call.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Is it also a dead ball in NFHS and NCAA? The ball would be dead in ASA...

Yes

[CecilOne]

Same rule in PONY, dead ball, fair or foul.

Just for emphasis in all rule sets - boxes, boundaries, lanes, etc. are always there; visible lines or not.

[Dakota]

NSA is not unclear. NSA Rule 7-1-a

The batter shall not have his entire foot touching the ground completely outside the lines of the batter's box or touching home plate when the ball is hit.

EFFECT: Sec. 1 (a-b) The ball is dead, the batter is out, baserunners may not advance.

Batter is out, regardless of where the batted ball ends up, since the ball is dead when hit.

This leaves UFSA as the only odd man out. Imagine my surprise.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Dakota

NSA is not unclear. NSA Rule 7-1-aBatter is out, regardless of where the batted ball ends up, since the ball is dead when hit.

This leaves UFSA as the only odd man out. Imagine my surprise.

What about YSISF? They cut off your hands.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

What about YSISF? They cut off your hands.

Lousy, stinking INFIDELS!!!