Timing of Score - No Tag Up

[bwbuddy]

Runners on 2nd and 3rd base, 1 out. Batter hits fly to outfield which is caught. Runner on 3rd properly tags and scores before runner on 2nd, who forgot to tag, is doubled off at 2nd base.

Does run count? (NSA)

[wadeintothem]

Yes, that is an appeal which is a timing play - not a 3rd out "force"

The run counts..

All orgs I'm sure.

[CecilOne]

Worked with some partners lately who signal each other a reminder to watch for a timing play by tapping their wrist (simulating pointing to a watch). This is with runner(s) in scoring position and 2 outs.
Anyone else do this? Is it recommended/required by any org?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Worked with some partners lately who signal each other a reminder to watch for a timing play by tapping their wrist (simulating pointing to a watch). This is with runner(s) in scoring position and 2 outs.
Anyone else do this? Is it recommended/required by any org?

Not familiar with this. Though my question becomes... Why should anyone have to remind an umpire if something is a timing play? On some appeals, it will matter. On others, it will not.

For example, R1 on 3B and R2 on 2B, one out. Deep fly ball hit to right field towards the 315' fence. F10 makes a great diving catch near the wall, but stumbles a little getting up. Both R1 and R2 make it home.

Sitch 1 - R1 left early.
Sitch 2 - R2 left early.

In sitch 1, whether or not it's a timing play makes no difference. Since R1 is the 3rd out, no trailing runner can score. In sitch 2, it IS a timing play. However, R1 crossed the plate before the appeal, so he scores.

"Reminding" other umpires that there could be a timing play has the potential to confuse umpires who should, in my opinion, already be aware of any timing plays.

After all, that's a lot of what we do - timing and force plays.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Not familiar with this. Though my question becomes... Why should anyone have to remind an umpire if something is a timing play? On some appeals, it will matter. On others, it will not.

For example, R1 on 3B and R2 on 2B, one out. Deep fly ball hit to right field towards the 315' fence. F10 makes a great diving catch near the wall, but stumbles a little getting up. Both R1 and R2 make it home.

Sitch 1 - R1 left early.
Sitch 2 - R2 left early.

In sitch 1, whether or not it's a timing play makes no difference. Since R1 is the 3rd out, no trailing runner can score. In sitch 2, it IS a timing play. However, R1 crossed the plate before the appeal, so he scores.

"Reminding" other umpires that there could be a timing play has the potential to confuse umpires who should, in my opinion, already be aware of any timing plays.

After all, that's a lot of what we do - timing and force plays.

Why? Because it is good communication among the umpiring crew just like signaling the IFF is on or off.

MTD, Sr.

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Why? Because it is good communication among the umpiring crew just like signaling the IFF is on or off.

MTD, Sr.

Darn, you took the words right off the tip of my fingers!

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Why? Because it is good communication among the umpiring crew just like signaling the IFF is on or off.

MTD, Sr.

Because there are only four possible situations with runners that can create an IFF situation (runners on 1B & 2B, or bases loaded, plus either no outs or one out). The possible outcome is the same: IFF, batter out. That one is simple.

With this "potential timing play" signal, let me ask you... What, if anything, would the plate umpire do differently?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Why? Because it is good communication among the umpiring crew just like signaling the IFF is on or off.

MTD, Sr.

Then why not give the count prior to every pitch, along with the inning?

Why not a signal that you are in the 7th inning so you can make sure you get that run or out?

To me, this is extraneous communication because there is a potential timing play every time the number of runners and outs adds up to three.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Worked with some partners lately who signal each other a reminder to watch for a timing play by tapping their wrist (simulating pointing to a watch). This is with runner(s) in scoring position and 2 outs.
Anyone else do this? Is it recommended/required by any org?

WOW I remember being told that signal from some of my earliest clinics (which wasn't all that long ago, (~ 1994).

Almost everyone in my area uses the "tap" at least up to the HS level.
At the college level, I've felt a "discouragement" of too much signalling.
For instance, I was told that we don't signal outs (between batters) as many do in HS...

Some times, I loose track of what are "official" instructions and what are just local habits...