Couldn't agree more, but I didn't raise the issue or question it's logic :rolleyes:

I love that since MLB and I assume other baseball rule books use the term "alive" to describe the status of a ball in play no less than 10 times. OTOH, the term "ball is dead" is used on more than 50 occasions.

So, I really don't understand the resistance to "dead ball" since according their rules, it was alive. :D

Taking that a step further, I am pretty sure I remember the definition and rulings regarding "dead ball territory" in various levels of baseball. If the ball entering that territory doesn't make it a "dead ball", they logically should call that the "time territory".

Oops, logic. Never mind.:eek::eek:

Even better. From page 15 of the MLB Official Rules, Section 2.00 Definitions:

A DEAD BALL is a ball out of play because of a legally created temporary

suspension of play.

Are you just f'in with me bc i said more than once that you were condescending??? I hope you dont talk to people like that in real life, or if you do, I hope you know how to handle yourself [physically]

Why the need to mention anything about position players of bases??

You are correct, the runners only need to be labeled once, but they have to be qualified every time. You have to specify which base each runner is on in the "softball format" which is what this whole thread was supposed to be about. Why is the system set up that way and not setup with R2 always means runner on 2nd.... Before I started the thread I tried to think of a logical explanation, but couldnt think of one, hence a thread was created to find an answer.

Let me put this another way, you dont call the home plate ump, U1 who is behind home plate, you call him PU. The P tells you everything you need to know about the umps position and needs no further clarification, why does the same theory not apply to runners?

I dont know who you are but I can tell you are a wise poerson

Thats what I was trying to figure out. I dont know how baseball does it, all i know is what is logical in my mind, which is to designate R# where # is the base of the runner at TOP.

So there must have been a reason why softball decided to change the nomenclature, does anyone know what this reason is?

For what it's worth...

This isn't entirely a "baseball versus softball" thing. For whatever reason, FED baseball uses the same "softball" designations in all of their rule books, case books and printed interpretations.

Why they do this- who knows? They are the only one of the "major" baseball rule sets that follow this numbering system. And those more familiar with OBR or NCAA never miss a chance to critisize them for it!

Personally, as someone that deals with both, it's not that hard to keep them separate. "When in Rome...", I guess. But I have always wondered how these two similar systems came to be split in this regard. I wonder if sometime many years ago they might have been the same, then one or the other switched thinking theirs was "the better way".

Potayto, potahto, who gives a sh1t? Is it a terrible system? Not at all.

Much ado about nothing, and I've got better things to worry about than this.

Where are you getting this example from? there are only 3 bases, so in the "easier" method, you could only have R1, R2, or R3, never R4 or R5 or R6....

I understand how softball labels its runners, to me, and apparently to other people, its superfluous to have a label on a runner, then have to qualify where that runner is. You dont think its overly complex to say R1 is on second base when you can just say R2?

Maybe this is why you like the softball version, bc you cant comprehend that R3 means hes on third, which means hes ahead of R1, whos on first.

Its almost like having to say any rectangle with 4 sides of equal length, when you can just say any square.



maybe thats the answer to my question???? but ive never seen a description of a play with anything other than R1 R2 R3 used, ie ive never seen a sit with R4 or R5 or R6... used

So no one knows the reason behind the use of the "softball" system????

after all, that was the question in my OP

Why are traffic lights in that particular order? Why does a stop sign have 8 sides? Why is R1 on 3B? Someone probably knows why softball uses this system, but I doubt most people even care.

Does the system work?

pride and vanity can get in the way of knowing when a fight or a dialogue or conversation is worth something.

Sometimes, is this one of them, seems like it, we are forgetting the principle of cause I said so and I get to say so and that is that. Ain't got to explain nothing. Too many think that they can think better than the next guy and cause of it, the rest of the world should change and follow genius man or woman. people have lost their sense of when it is appropriate to object.

this is an old theme for me who has been here just 3 years. some of you ancient ones probably went here we go again.

I have no idea why it is like that but this is one instance that my wife would be proud of knowing not to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

I do wonder what anyone would do once they found out why it is done that way.

I imagine something along the lines of I see but..... See going now where on this and back to I am the boss and I said so. Know your place and know when it is time to debate an issue.

NCASA, as you can see, I have the long version of your short version: better things to do.:)

No more on this from me.

Ron

sure, it works, but it doesnt appear to be the best system. I could drive from boston to la, it would take 3 days, but id get there, or i could fly, and be there in 5 hours.

its not so much about caring, its more about not taking everything that your told as the end all be all. I could give a million examples about how questioning the way something was done is a good thing.

and fyi, the examples you gave are really that pertinent to the discussion, they would be if you could prove that traffic lights not in RYG order or a stop sign being a different shape would make them more effective in their usage. A better example would have been, why do elections not require voters to show ID to prevent voter fraud, and only require a verbal declaration and an address of who they are.

I whatever this post be closed. Anyone second it?

Seconded.

The whole time I watched this thread, I had a line from "The Departed" running through my head...

Ellerby: "Cui bono?" Who benefits?
Colin: Cui gives a sh1t? It's got a freakin' bow on it.