Distracting cheers

[ronald]

this type of behavior would never, ever (no proof happen at the Olympics. Behavior from players should imitate Olympic behavior IMO.

I side with Mike on this. We just have higher standards

The issue is not whether I should tune it out, or it should not bother me, etc but rather is it sportsmanlike. Of course not, a good sportsman does not resort to that.

I have not allowed it where I thought it was inappropriate and the UIC backed me up as the team that could not do it went and complained to the UIC.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

So?

Swing batta batta has been around forever.

So have take-out slides and bean balls.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Folks, I'm not talking about picking nits, here. I'm talking about directed comments for the purpose of affecting a player's immediate actions. It does not necessarily have to be disparaging language, then again, if it is, it need not be of a loud volume. Really don't care about idle chatter, defining pitches or offering direction to a teammate.

I have never ejected anyone on this type of issue. It stops when I make a point of it. This is a type of violation that when you hear it, you instruct the participant to cease. If ignored, then you take whatever you deem is the appropriate action which whomever it is necessary to get control of the game.

[NCASAUmp]

Bear in mind that the only time in the last 16+ years of umpiring that I have ever said anything about "swing" is if I see a player visibly starting to get pissed enough that they might want to do something about it. This has happened maybe... 3 times?

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

So have take-out slides and bean balls.

Exactly correct!

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Bear in mind that the only time in the last 16+ years of umpiring that I have ever said anything about "swing" is if I see a player visibly starting to get pissed enough that they might want to do something about it. This has happened maybe... 3 times?

You work adult ball slow pitch right?

There may be some actions you take in that game that are not necessary in youth ball.. an example IMO would be the afforementioned "take out slide".

In youth ball, it is expected to "break it up" - in beer league, they gotta work in the morning and allowing certain things can lead to problems.

I think manage your game... so on a case by case basis depending on a circumstance, you may need to do something that you wouldnt necessarily do another given circumstance.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Exactly correct!

My point is that just because things have "always been there," it doesn't mean they should be there.

Anyway, what I was trying to get at is that some chatter is fine, but there's a point at which it crosses the line. If it's creating a dangerous or hostile environment, then it should stop. If I'm calling a game where the ball is coming in at 60+ MPH, I would not want someone distracting the batter, putting them at risk of getting hit.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

My point is that just because things have "always been there," it doesn't mean they should be there.

Anyway, what I was trying to get at is that some chatter is fine, but there's a point at which it crosses the line. If it's creating a dangerous or hostile environment, then it should stop. If I'm calling a game where the ball is coming in at 60+ MPH, I would not want someone distracting the batter, putting them at risk of getting hit.

Or the ball coming at a fielder at 98 mph and a passing runner screaming.....oh, wait a minute, that one we call!

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

You work adult ball slow pitch right?

Yes, indeedileedoodly! However, I called youth games for many years.

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

There may be some actions you take in that game that are not necessary in youth ball.. an example IMO would be the afforementioned "take out slide".

In youth ball, it is expect to "break it up" - in beer league, they gotta work in the morning and allowing certain things can lead to problems.

I was not aware that ASA had different rules regarding sliding...

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

I think manage your game... so on a case base case bases depending on a circumstance you may need to do something.

Absolutely, each game will be different. The players are different, the setting is different, and the mood is different. Just like some days, I can put up with more crap, and other days, I might not always be so willing to tolerate things (try as I may to be as consistent and cool-headed as possible). But if I see some bad mojo brewing, or if I see some potential danger in the act, I put a stop to it quietly and without being adversarial.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

My point is that just because things have "always been there," it doesn't mean they should be there.

Anyway, what I was trying to get at is that some chatter is fine, but there's a point at which it crosses the line. If it's creating a dangerous or hostile environment, then it should stop. If I'm calling a game where the ball is coming in at 60+ MPH, I would not want someone distracting the batter, putting them at risk of getting hit.

Come on! Now youre reaching for justification now for OOO by inventing a "safety save the children" justification, which is beyond the previous USC argument.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Or the ball coming at a fielder at 98 mph and a passing runner screaming.....oh, wait a minute, that one we call!

Yep! And I do tell the runners not to do that. I've even called INT on a runner for doing that. He screamed as he ran into 2B on a force play, and I could see F4 flinch big time, causing her to drop the ball (when she normally doesn't drop it).

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

But if I see some bad mojo brewing, or if I see some potential danger in the act, I put a stop to it quietly and without being adversarial.

is that why no one likes you and you keep on having to eject everyone ?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Come on! Now youre reaching for justification now for OOO by inventing a "safety save the children" justification, which is beyond the previous USC argument.

Oh, as George Carlin used to say... "F*** the children!"

Actually, that was part of my argument from the start, so I didn't tangent into that. But yes, if I see an unnecessary behavior that makes things unsafe, I put a stop to it. I do that for all levels of play, from 10U to Seniors.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

is that why no one likes you and you keep on having to eject everyone ?

Could be!

You know I'm just messin' with you, bud.

We apparently have different styles, and each umpire has his/her own threshold. I'm comfortable with mine, you're comfortable with yours. As long as neither of us are d1cks about it, I see no troubles in how either of us handles the situation. Know what I mean?

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Could be! But it never earned me a spot in the paper.

You know I'm just messin' with you, bud.

Low blow...

We apparently have different styles, and each umpire has his/her own threshold. I'm comfortable with mine, you're comfortable with yours. As long as neither of us are d1cks about it, I see no troubles in how either of us handles the situation. Know what I mean?

you know it bro!