Silly NCAA runner assistance rule...

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

... and worse umpire application of the rule
... and a true RAT for a coach

Teammates’ handslap to home run hitter erases victory

Another completely useless, BS rule from the NCAA

[ronald]

Here is another story about it and an explanation of the ruling. Since it was a walk-off homerun, the umpires decided that an out was called for. Must have used the God rule. I assume it exists in NCAA. Now I will have to go look for it.

Postbulletin.com: Rochester, MN

[MichaelVA2000]

Originally Posted by ronald

Must have used the God rule. I assume it exists in NCAA. Now I will have to go look for it.

Rots of Ruck....it's not there!

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by ronald

Here is another story about it and an explanation of the ruling. Since it was a walk-off homerun, the umpires decided that an out was called for. Must have used the God rule. I assume it exists in NCAA. Now I will have to go look for it.

Postbulletin.com: Rochester, MN

Pffft... that's the home town paper of the hero coach.

[Dakota]

From the other end of the state (you may need to register to read the article):

Brainerd Dispatch

[bkbjones]

If she had slid they couldn't do high fives...

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Dakota

From the other end of the state (you may need to register to read the article):

Brainerd Dispatch

Won't let me read without registering. Want to post the gist of it?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Won't let me read without registering. ...

Hint: Bug Me Not

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Want to post the gist of it?

Brief quote from the article:

At that point Rochester coach Jean Musgjerd protested, saying teammates can't make contact with a player who has hit a home run until that player has crossed home plate and she claimed Erickson should be out.

In the Rochester paper, she denies that. Phooey. She successfully bamboozled the umpires. Shame on the umpires, for sure, but double shame on the RAT.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by Dakota

(snip) Shame on the umpires, for sure, but double shame on the RAT.

FWIW
I don't know about the "double shame" on the RAT.
I don't really care about her and one may argue that she was just doing what RATs do... anything they can to win.

I'd still vote for double shame on the Umpires.
I may be mistaken, but I think at this level I'm supposed to know those rules or at least between my partners and myself, be able to get it correct....

BTW
This has not occurred in any of my games, but I would look at it as one warning per/event as opposed to one warning per person who touched the BR.

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Another completely useless, BS rule from the NCAA

The rule is the rule. Not a hard rule to understand or enforce. Let's not debate the rule, let's talk about the process:

(If the article is correct) The coach said there should be a call. The umpire froze, didn't make a ruling. Then he runs off the field to ask, then got the incorrect ruling.

I don't blame the coach for asking, that's her right. The umpire didn't know the rule, but he has to rule something and then give the coaches an opportunity to protest.

The travesty is not having the (insert your favorite phrase) to make a ruling, right or wrong, there are procedures in place to fix it (in this case).

(Again, if the article is correct) What about the other umpire NOT looking in the rule book for the correct ruling? Or the other coach protesting?

And yes, it is acceptable to have a rule book on the field.

BTW, I've given two warnings this year, both in DI games.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

The rule is the rule. Not a hard rule to understand or enforce. Let's not debate the rule, let's talk about the process:

(If the article is correct) The coach said there should be a call. The umpire froze, didn't make a ruling. Then he runs off the field to ask, then got the incorrect ruling.

I don't blame the coach for asking, that's her right. The umpire didn't know the rule, but he has to rule something and then give the coaches an opportunity to protest.

The travesty is not having the [effing balls] to make a ruling, right or wrong, there are procedures in place to fix it (in this case).

(Again, if the article is correct) What about the other umpire NOT looking in the rule book for the correct ruling? Or the other coach protesting?

And yes, it is acceptable to have a rule book on the field.

BTW, I've given two warnings this year, both in DI games.

I'm surprised that this even took place - every umpire should know whether a touch is allowed or not. However, since this was junior college, I can't speak to the quality of the umpiring (not my arena), so I just won't.

However, I've never believed that having a rule book on the field is smart. Yes, you can fix certain situations, but that just opens you up to tons of trouble. The closest my rule book comes to the field is in my car in the parking lot.

If the umpire wasn't 100% on the rule interpretation, s/he should have made his/her ruling, then immediately offer up to the OC the opportunity to protest. Sounds like these girls may have gotten hosed.

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

However, I've never believed that having a rule book on the field is smart. Yes, you can fix certain situations, but that just opens you up to tons of trouble. The closest my rule book comes to the field is in my car in the parking lot.

If the umpire wasn't 100% on the rule interpretation, s/he should have made his/her ruling, then immediately offer up to the OC the opportunity to protest. Sounds like these girls may have gotten hosed.

Allow me to clarify, if there is a protest, use the rule book. This is encouraged by the SUIP (the situation of unreported subs and batting out of order were the examples a few years ago). The players were hosed not by rule, but because of umpires who would not follow procedure.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

Allow me to clarify, if there is a protest, use the rule book. This is encouraged by the SUIP (the situation of unreported subs and batting out of order were the examples a few years ago). The players were hosed not by rule, but because of umpires who would not follow procedure.

If you've got umpires not following procedure, then you've got an entirely different issue altogether. Having a rule book nearby isn't going to help anything other than to delegitimize an umpire's authority.

[BuggBob]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

However, I've never believed that having a rule book on the field is smart. Yes, you can fix certain situations, but that just opens you up to tons of trouble. The closest my rule book comes to the field is in my car in the parking lot.

There must be a rule book on site, either your's or their's per NCAA rule.