obstruction Fed vs ASA

[mashie59]

So we can all agree then that a first baseman can get in the way of a the player running to first base when he does not have the ball. The baserunner should then yield to the first baseman, slow down, and allow the first baseman to get in his way while he waits for the ball. So this provides a clear advantage to the first baseman in slowing up the base runner and giving himself a clear advantage slowing down the runner. Why not come down the first baseline a few more steps and really give yourself, as the first baseman. an even better advantage?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by mashie59

So we can all agree then that a first baseman can get in the way of a the player running to first base when he does not have the ball. The baserunner should then yield to the first baseman, slow down, and allow the first baseman to get in his way while he waits for the ball. So this provides a clear advantage to the first baseman in slowing up the base runner and giving himself a clear advantage slowing down the runner. Why not come down the first baseline a few more steps and really give yourself, as the first baseman. an even better advantage?

*sigh*

No. Are you even reading this thread? If a runner is obstructed, they're awarded the base they would have reached had there been no obstruction.

In my opinion, the runner should make an attempt to avoid contact. If I see them barrel a fielder over for ANY reason, I've got an ejection coming.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by mashie59

So we can all agree then that a first baseman can get in the way of a the player running to first base when he does not have the ball.

Other than you, no one has made such a comment.

The baserunner should then yield to the first baseman, slow down, and allow the first baseman to get in his way while he waits for the ball.

Absolutely.

So this provides a clear advantage to the first baseman in slowing up the base runner and giving himself a clear advantage slowing down the runner. Why not come down the first baseline a few more steps and really give yourself, as the first baseman. an even better advantage?

That is why there are rules in the game and those rules do not include physical assaults of other players. As any 9th grader knows, that would be obstruction which protects the offense from being put out between the bases where this obstruction occurred. This apparently obscure (to you) rule even allows the umpire to award the runner any additional bases the runner would have attained safely, in the umpire's judgment, had the obstruction not occurred. However, this rule is void if the obstructed runner commits an act of interference. D'oh ! !

Thank you for playing.

[CajunNewBlue]

Originally Posted by mashie59

So we can all agree then that a first baseman can get in the way of a the player running to first base when he does not have the ball. The baserunner should then yield to the first baseman, slow down, and allow the first baseman to get in his way while he waits for the ball. So this provides a clear advantage to the first baseman in slowing up the base runner and giving himself a clear advantage slowing down the runner. Why not come down the first baseline a few more steps and really give yourself, as the first baseman. an even better advantage?

I never agreed to that.

[NCASAUmp]

I smell something under the bridge... What is that familiar scent?

[mashie59]

Okay, so a player can physically assault a secind baseman as he slides into second .... no matter how wide and sweeps out his feet in order to break up a double-play ...... and when a catcher has the ball and we are running home .... and the catcher is blocking the plate we can knock him back and as long as he's still holding the ball .... the runner is only called out. Quite truthfully .... when I played baseball .... I was looking forward to you being in my way. It's perfectly legal.

[NCASAUmp]

Uh... I'm done with this guy. He's either a troll, or he only hears what he wants to hear.

Or both.

This ain't baseball, guy. This is softball. I don't care what happens in baseball.

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by mashie59

Okay, so a player can physically assault a secind baseman as he slides into second .... no matter how wide and sweeps out his feet in order to break up a double-play ...... and when a catcher has the ball and we are running home .... and the catcher is blocking the plate we can knock him back and as long as he's still holding the ball .... the runner is only called out. Quite truthfully .... when I played baseball .... I was looking forward to you being in my way. It's perfectly legal.

I laughed so hard at this one...keep 'em coming!

Sure, you can do any of those things. Then I can determine if any rules were violated and impose the appropriate penalties.

[mashie59]

Call me a troll ..... argue that you will sue me and take my home away .... you fat old pot-bellied men can stick these facts in your pipes. Support your arguments from experts in the industry outside your own "self-proclaimed expertise." Note that the softball industry expert Dr. Ambrose points out that "Next game ump said we had to just run on top of her and knock her down. "

Softball: Can first baseman stand in baseline when runner running to first?, offensive players, defensive player

Softball - Can first baseman stand in baseline when runner running to first?

Expert: Dr. Mark R. Ambrose - 4/9/2007

Question
My daughter has been playing softball for years and started playing this spring in 10 and under fast pitch. We had two games this weekend, both umpires told us something different on this occurance. After the ball was hit by our team, the first baseman on the other team stood on first base facing the batter in the baseline. Our girl didn't know what to do as she was blocking the base and of course didn't want to run right over her causing injury to both of them. Ump in one game said for keep running to first and they would call it interference (by the first baseman) and we would be safe. Next game ump said we had to just run on top of her and knock her down. Isn't there a standard rule on this that players can not block the base by standing directly in the baseline?


http://www.eteamz.com/lowerperkll/fi...terference.pdf

Second, the runner always has the right to the base path, except when required to avoid a fielder in the act of fielding a batted ball, or if a fielder is in possession of the ball and is waiting to make a tag,. (The base path is not restricted to a straight line between the bases, either, but shall be interpreted by the umpire as a path reasonably taken by a runner in advancing in such a situation, such as “rounding” a base when advancing to the next, or trying to advance to second after running through first when an overthrow occurs.)




1st base

Re: 1st base

I'm always telling 1b when I'm out there or even if I'm coaching at 1b to give the runner part of the bag...

Well, if you're talking LL, that's not necessarily good advice. Unlike high school ball under FED rules, the Obstruction rule in LL requires the fielder to give the runner complete, unimpeded access to the entire base. A fielder who gives "part of the bag" to the runner could still be guilty of Obstruction if he doesn't have the ball or is trying to field a batted ball. By giving only part of the bag, it causes the runner to have to guess which part is open to him, and he could guess wrong and still get blocked from the bag by the fielder's foot or leg. That's Obstruction in LL.

[mashie59]

Oh geesh!!! I have to apologize if we are only talking about softball which has always been primarily a ladies activity where you throw the ball underhand .... although the gals who play it do all fall into the "Butch" category. So yes, I agree ..... and you should say "Excuse me" if the first basewoman is blocking your path.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by mashie59

Okay, so a player can physically assault a secind baseman as he slides into second .

Yes

... no matter how wide and sweeps out his feet in order to break up a double-play .

No, and it is no even in MLB

..... and when a catcher has the ball and we are running home .... and the catcher is blocking the plate we can knock him back and as long as he's still holding the ball

No

.... the runner is only called out. Quite truthfully .... when I played baseball .

This isn't baseball

... I was looking forward to you being in my way. It's perfectly legal.

Guess what?