Interference Call?

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Well heck I figured I'd go ahead and declare the train wreck since sports are getting mixed up so much lately.

Didn't you throw your yellow flag for a personal foul unnecessary roughness??? And T the coaches up for giving you grief???

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Badamk

That was the exact reaction that I got. I called nothing. Everyone was upset....

If you did that in a Fed game, everyone had a right to be upset. Train wrecks have virtually disappeared from Fed softball. Get out your 2009 rule book and read everything in there about "initial play." In Fed, this should have been interference.

[wadeintothem]

Your timing must be such that the noncall is used when no one else but you noticed or will complain.
When everyone complains - you missed the call that would have limited to only one complaint and would have resulted in an out, unless of course that would negate a game ending run.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Your timing must be such that the noncall is used when no one else but you noticed or will complain.
When everyone complains - you missed the call that would have limited to only one complaint and would have resulted in an out, unless of course that would negate a game ending run.

You're trying to get that trophy, aren't you?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

In ASA, it is most likely obstruction.

ASA would depend upon whether the umpire judged that F6 had the opportunity to make an out. If so, it in INT. (8.7.J.4)

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Dakota

You're trying to get that trophy, aren't you?

Well if ya cant beat em join em.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by Dakota

If you did that in a Fed game, everyone had a right to be upset. Train wrecks have virtually disappeared from Fed softball. Get out your 2009 rule book and read everything in there about "initial play." In Fed, this should have been interference.

Out of the house, no references. Just like on the ball field, I suppose.

In NFHS, this contact HAS to be something. Your initial description of "a foot or two" makes it sound like the initial play (after muffing, still within a step and a reach) applies; if so, has to be interference. If more than a step and a reach, then it must be obstruction.

As a personal point of emphasis, the act of turning is often MORE than one step; if that is true (and it generally is), then the initial play has ended, and the fielder is no longer protected. If she literally pivots on one foot, THEN she still has a step and a reach available. We don't want to be rewarding misplays more than the written rule provides.

In ASA, as Mike mentioned, there is no initial play definition; if the fielder still has an opportunity to get an out, the fielder is still protected. If the ball was anywhere still in reach, that runner was still a possible out, so it almost has to be interference (in the play you describe). Again, if the ball is farther than that (so that you think the runners would all be safe if no contact), it has to be obstruction. This is, again, NOT a train wreck in ASA; someone has the right of way, and is protected.

[Dakota]

Taking the OP at his word, "foot or two"... have to have pretty short legs and arms for this to not be within a step and reach, turn or no turn.

I agree on the ASA interp, but it is definitely HTBT. Since R1 was running behind F6 and F6 still had not retrieved the ball when the collision happened, a tag would have been unlikely, it seems to me. So, perhaps the out would have been the BR at first or a throw to F5 at third, but that is way too much speculation for the limited info given. That's why I said it was likely obs. But, still HTBT.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Your timing must be such that the noncall is used when no one else but you noticed or will complain.
When everyone complains - you missed the call that would have limited to only one complaint and would have resulted in an out, unless of course that would negate a game ending run and leave players sprawled on the field crying while the umpire leaves with a menacing laugh!

This is what Wade really meant to say.......

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Andy

This is what Wade really meant to say.......

That is naturally inferred.