Anyone got a decoder ring????

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

As far as the "alphabet soup" goes, some of these organizations sprung up and spun off from other organizations. For example, my understanding of the origins of USSSA was that it was a group from ASA that decided they wanted to do things their way.

USSSA started out as the United States Slo-Pitch Softball Association. It was, in fact, a group of individuals who wanted to change up the SP game, speed up play, and allow for more liberal pitching rules. One of their big selling points in the 70's has now been adopted by ASA, the 3-2 count. (Three balls for a walk and two strikes and you are out.)

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Also, for what it's worth, NY is a member of the NFHS but apparently, not in softball. Similar to TX and MA in football.

Actually, in Texas, all sports abide by NFHS rules. However, all sports officials in Texas are not registered with NFHS, but rather with their own in-state organization, the Texas Association of Sports Officials, TASO.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

USSSA started out as the United States Slo-Pitch Softball Association. It was, in fact, a group of individuals who wanted to change up the SP game, speed up play, and allow for more liberal pitching rules. One of their big selling points in the 70's has now been adopted by ASA, the 3-2 count. (Three balls for a walk and two strikes and you are out.)

Ah yes... I remember U-Trip back in the mid-90s, back when its rules were still very similar to ASA's. The wording was fairly different, but the effects of the rules were almost identical.

The information I mentioned came straight from the person who got me into U-Trip. I only called this person's games and tourneys as a favor, later finding out that this person was relatively high up within the hierarchy of USSSA.

I won't go into all the strange love/hate relationship stories between U-Trip and ASA.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Actually, in Texas, all sports abide by NFHS rules. However, all sports officials in Texas are not registered with NFHS, but rather with their own in-state organization, the Texas Association of Sports Officials, TASO.

Scott, I was speaking to state membership on the NFHS rules committee, not the membership of individual officials. Texas HS Football is played under NCAA rules, hence Texas does not have a seat on the NFHS football rules committee.

[SRW]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

USSSA started out as the United States Slo-Pitch Softball Association. It was, in fact, a group of individuals who wanted to change up the SP game, speed up play, and allow for more liberal pitching rules. One of their big selling points in the 70's has now been adopted by ASA, the 3-2 count. (Three balls for a walk and two strikes and you are out.)

That is NOT what ASA adopted.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by SRW

That is NOT what ASA adopted.

I can state for a fact that this statement is correct.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by SRW

That is NOT what ASA adopted.

Not having my rule book with me, and not calling SP, I guess I am mistaken then. I thought that ASA adopted a rule this year where essentially a batter starts out with the 1-1 count in SP.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Not having my rule book with me, and not calling SP, I guess I am mistaken then. I thought that ASA adopted a rule this year where essentially a batter starts out with the 1-1 count in SP.

I think they were making the point that this differs from 3 balls = BOB and 2 strikes =SO.

It is still 3 strikes (catch the ball) and yer out, like the song (almost) says.

To me, the difference seems to be editorial only (don't need to adjust all the batter and batter-runner rules), rather than "real" in how the game is played.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Interesting. I do know football and baseball use NFHS rules (as does basketball I believe). I'm too lazy to look it up, but I would imagine NY has a seat on the NFHS rules committee for each of those sports.

I was under the belief that all states had a seat at the table. Unless you modified Fed rules ,then you lost your seat.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

I was under the belief that all states had a seat at the table. Unless you modified Fed rules ,then you lost your seat.

The state has to use Federation rules in that sport as well. If NY doesn't use NFHS rules for HS softbal then I would imagine they do not have a seat at the NFHS Softball Rules committee. Texas and Mass do not have seats on the NFHS Football Rules Committee though the state organizations are members of the NFHS.

The NFHS rulebook for each sport should have a list of whom the rules committee members are.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Not having my rule book with me, and not calling SP, I guess I am mistaken then. I thought that ASA adopted a rule this year where essentially a batter starts out with the 1-1 count in SP.

Tom is correct. And it only applies to adult SP excluding Masters, Seniors and for those who believe it is the same, 16" game.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by vcblue

You forgot AFA

Originally Posted by whiskers_ump

IFA, & NAFA also.

I listed MY sanctions and associations ONLY