Is there a mechanic for this ?

[NCASAUmp]

Don't know how well the girls will understand this in a 12U game, but how about pointing to the runner with the left hand and calling "trailing runner is out?"

Don't know if the girls will understand it, but hopefully, an adult coach will understand what that means.

Oh crap, we're talking about coaches here... Never mind!

[7in60]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Don't know how well the girls will understand this in a 12U game, but how about pointing to the runner with the left hand and calling "trailing runner is out?"

I like that addendum.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Don't know how well the girls will understand this in a 12U game, but how about pointing to the runner with the left hand and calling "trailing runner is out?"

Honestly don't care about the girls understanding whats going on. It was so I could be comfortable when the sitch arises again. I got that part of the call right. It just seemed uncomfortable.

So you're todays lucky winner and i will point with my left hand while calling "trailing runner is out ! "

hopefully it will happen while its fresh on my mind.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Speaking of proper mechanics, I'd assume that by the time the HP umpire [in this case, the only umpire] has moved up the 3B line to make a call, that s/he's holding the mask in the left hand.

Given that, is it proper convention to be "pointing" with your mask in your hand? I was taught to remove the mask w/ the left hand and carry it in the left hand. So far, so good. I only made one out call with the mask in my right hand.

On a ball close to the line in right field, I still point fair with my right hand/arm, meaning my back is almost to 1B. If the batted ball was a line drive, I might still have my mask on when I see it and make the call, then try to remove the mask and get to wherever else I'm supposed to get to. If it's a blooper or anything with some height to it, I'll take the mask off.

Ted

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

Speaking of proper mechanics, I'd assume that by the time the HP umpire [in this case, the only umpire] has moved up the 3B line to make a call, that s/he's holding the mask in the left hand.

Given that, is it proper convention to be "pointing" with your mask in your hand? I was taught to remove the mask w/ the left hand and carry it in the left hand. So far, so good. I only made one out call with the mask in my right hand.

On a ball close to the line in right field, I still point fair with my right hand/arm, meaning my back is almost to 1B. If the batted ball was a line drive, I might still have my mask on when I see it and make the call, then try to remove the mask and get to wherever else I'm supposed to get to. If it's a blooper or anything with some height to it, I'll take the mask off.

Ted

Do you not signal safe with both hands? Signal a fair ball down the 1B line with your left hand? Signal a dead ball with both hands?

I think a simple point with your left hand, mask or no mask, would be just fine.

[wadeintothem]

If I remember right, you are like 6'6"?

I'm pretty sure if you ran up to the girl and towered over her and screamed at the top of your lungs while pointing at her face "YOU YES YOU YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRR OUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!"

She'd get the message.

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

If I remember right, you are like 6'6"?

I'm pretty sure if you ran up to the girl and towered over her and screamed at the top of your lungs while pointing at her face "YOU YES YOU YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRR OUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!"

She'd get the message.

Awwww, but, but, but, she would end up crying....

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

Awwww, but, but, but, she would end up crying....

*slaps his forehead*

And here, I'd deleted my post referring to that incident because I wanted to stop ragging on wade about that! Doh!

[BlitzkriegBob]

Tell me if I'm mistaken as I don't have the experience that you guys do, but as I envision myself in this situation, I envision myself making two calls. I assume that R2 (for future reference the lead runner should be designated R1, with the trailing runner being R2) was tagged first while standing on third base. When that happened, I would have made a safe call. Then, when R1 was tagged, assuming that R2 had not stepped off of third base, I would have made the out call on that runner. I think the point is a great idea, along with announcing that the trailing runner, or even "that" runner with the point would get the message across.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by BlitzkriegBob

Tell me if I'm mistaken as I don't have the experience that you guys do, but as I envision myself in this situation, I envision myself making two calls. I assume that R2 (for future reference the lead runner should be designated R1, with the trailing runner being R2) was tagged first while standing on third base. When that happened, I would have made a safe call. Then, when R1 was tagged, assuming that R2 had not stepped off of third base, I would have made the out call on that runner. I think the point is a great idea, along with announcing that the trailing runner, or even "that" runner with the point would get the message across.

I'd be careful about announcing "that runner." We all remember how well it was received when McCain talked about "that guy."

Let's not get into a political debate here; I use that only as an example of how it could be received to say "that runner" and point.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Do you not signal safe with both hands? Signal a fair ball down the 1B line with your left hand? Signal a dead ball with both hands?

I think a simple point with your left hand, mask or no mask, would be just fine.

Safe w/ both hands? Yes

Fair ball down 1B line w/ left hand? Answered that already, but: line drive w/ mask likely still on will signal w/ left hand; blooper w/ mask likely off will signal w/ right hand.

Dead ball w/ both hands? Yes, of course. Depends on situation as in above. Foul ball in the batter's box or foul directly to the screen I'll still have mask on. Blooper down a foul line, mask off.

My wish for clarity was that if you can avoid pointing with a mask in your hand, should you do that?

Ted

[JefferMC]

I assumed they were suggesting that you'd be pointing with your mask-holding left hand because your right hand would be making the out sign at the same time.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

Safe w/ both hands? Yes

Fair ball down 1B line w/ left hand? Answered that already, but: line drive w/ mask likely still on will signal w/ left hand; blooper w/ mask likely off will signal w/ right hand.

Dead ball w/ both hands? Yes, of course. Depends on situation as in above. Foul ball in the batter's box or foul directly to the screen I'll still have mask on. Blooper down a foul line, mask off.

My wish for clarity was that if you can avoid pointing with a mask in your hand, should you do that?

Ted

In the end, my point was that we are taught that if we're explaining a call before making a call (ie., pulled foot, SAFE), we point with the left hand, giving the clarification, THEN making the call. This has been hammered into our heads over and over. I'd say this is as consistent with what ASA teaches as possible, until I'm told otherwise.

In this case, point to the trailing runner with the left hand and call "trailing runner is out" as you switch to the hammer with your right hand. I think that's as good as it'll get. There's no "you," you're not making it personal, you're just stating the facts of the call.