Is there a mechanic for this ?

[Chess Ref]

ASA rules, 12U, decent teams, 1 man system. Its a friendly tourney so free wheeling subs etc . 1 man was enough for these games.

I had a couple of things break out on this particular play . So I'll make 2 or 3 threads of this play.

R2 on 3B, R1 on 2B, ball four to batter thats gets away from catcher.

R1 bolts on seeing ball get away. R2 and R1 both end up on 3B. F5 gets the ball from the catcher and tags both runners. I have R1 as now being out.

Is there something i could say or do that lets everybody know which runner I have an out on ?

I called an out but quite frankly everyone but me seemed to be confused to which runner I had out.

I'm hoping I haven't missed the painfully obvious.

Thoughts ?

[7in60]

How about pointing in the direction of (at) the runner you called out, in this case the second base side of third?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by 7in60

How about pointing in the direction of (at) the runner you called out, in this case the second base side of third?

Works for me.

Not much else you can do. The ball is still live and if the front runner and/or coach doesn't understand the rule in this case and R2 strays off the base, the defense has every right to attempt to retire her.

And don't take any crap from the coach. It is his/her job to know what is going on, not yours to instruct them as the play is unfolding.

[NCASAUmp]

Don't know how well the girls will understand this in a 12U game, but how about pointing to the runner with the left hand and calling "trailing runner is out?"

Don't know if the girls will understand it, but hopefully, an adult coach will understand what that means.

Oh crap, we're talking about coaches here... Never mind!

[DeputyUICHousto]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

ASA rules, 12U, decent teams, 1 man system. Its a friendly tourney so free wheeling subs etc . 1 man was enough for these games.

I had a couple of things break out on this particular play . So I'll make 2 or 3 threads of this play.

R2 on 3B, R1 on 2B, ball four to batter thats gets away from catcher.

R1 bolts on seeing ball get away. R2 and R1 both end up on 3B. F5 gets the ball from the catcher and tags both runners. I have R1 as now being out.

Is there something i could say or do that lets everybody know which runner I have an out on ?

I called an out but quite frankly everyone but me seemed to be confused to which runner I had out.

I'm hoping I haven't missed the painfully obvious.

Thoughts ?

and not thinking clearly but would it really matter which runner was out and which was not. Won't you still have a runner on 3rd with the same number of outs?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by DeputyUICHousto

and not thinking clearly but would it really matter which runner was out and which was not. Won't you still have a runner on 3rd with the same number of outs?

I guess preventative... you don't want the wrong player to believe she is out, leave the base, and then be tagged out.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Dakota

I guess preventative... you don't want the wrong player to believe she is out, leave the base, and then be tagged out.

Not to mention the fact that you're assuming that all runners are created equal. Some are faster than others, some are slower than others. It's best to get the call right.

[7in60]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Don't know how well the girls will understand this in a 12U game, but how about pointing to the runner with the left hand and calling "trailing runner is out?"

I like that addendum.

[SRW]

Originally Posted by DeputyUICHousto

and not thinking clearly but would it really matter which runner was out and which was not. Won't you still have a runner on 3rd with the same number of outs?

Stats. All about the stats. 12U DD's fathers are insanely crazy about keeping their kids' stats.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Don't know how well the girls will understand this in a 12U game, but how about pointing to the runner with the left hand and calling "trailing runner is out?"

Honestly don't care about the girls understanding whats going on. It was so I could be comfortable when the sitch arises again. I got that part of the call right. It just seemed uncomfortable.

So you're todays lucky winner and i will point with my left hand while calling "trailing runner is out ! "

hopefully it will happen while its fresh on my mind.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Speaking of proper mechanics, I'd assume that by the time the HP umpire [in this case, the only umpire] has moved up the 3B line to make a call, that s/he's holding the mask in the left hand.

Given that, is it proper convention to be "pointing" with your mask in your hand? I was taught to remove the mask w/ the left hand and carry it in the left hand. So far, so good. I only made one out call with the mask in my right hand.

On a ball close to the line in right field, I still point fair with my right hand/arm, meaning my back is almost to 1B. If the batted ball was a line drive, I might still have my mask on when I see it and make the call, then try to remove the mask and get to wherever else I'm supposed to get to. If it's a blooper or anything with some height to it, I'll take the mask off.

Ted

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

Speaking of proper mechanics, I'd assume that by the time the HP umpire [in this case, the only umpire] has moved up the 3B line to make a call, that s/he's holding the mask in the left hand.

Given that, is it proper convention to be "pointing" with your mask in your hand? I was taught to remove the mask w/ the left hand and carry it in the left hand. So far, so good. I only made one out call with the mask in my right hand.

On a ball close to the line in right field, I still point fair with my right hand/arm, meaning my back is almost to 1B. If the batted ball was a line drive, I might still have my mask on when I see it and make the call, then try to remove the mask and get to wherever else I'm supposed to get to. If it's a blooper or anything with some height to it, I'll take the mask off.

Ted

Do you not signal safe with both hands? Signal a fair ball down the 1B line with your left hand? Signal a dead ball with both hands?

I think a simple point with your left hand, mask or no mask, would be just fine.

[wadeintothem]

If I remember right, you are like 6'6"?

I'm pretty sure if you ran up to the girl and towered over her and screamed at the top of your lungs while pointing at her face "YOU YES YOU YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRR OUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!"

She'd get the message.

[BlitzkriegBob]

Tell me if I'm mistaken as I don't have the experience that you guys do, but as I envision myself in this situation, I envision myself making two calls. I assume that R2 (for future reference the lead runner should be designated R1, with the trailing runner being R2) was tagged first while standing on third base. When that happened, I would have made a safe call. Then, when R1 was tagged, assuming that R2 had not stepped off of third base, I would have made the out call on that runner. I think the point is a great idea, along with announcing that the trailing runner, or even "that" runner with the point would get the message across.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by BlitzkriegBob

Tell me if I'm mistaken as I don't have the experience that you guys do, but as I envision myself in this situation, I envision myself making two calls. I assume that R2 (for future reference the lead runner should be designated R1, with the trailing runner being R2) was tagged first while standing on third base. When that happened, I would have made a safe call. Then, when R1 was tagged, assuming that R2 had not stepped off of third base, I would have made the out call on that runner. I think the point is a great idea, along with announcing that the trailing runner, or even "that" runner with the point would get the message across.

I'd be careful about announcing "that runner." We all remember how well it was received when McCain talked about "that guy."

Let's not get into a political debate here; I use that only as an example of how it could be received to say "that runner" and point.