2009 ASA Rool buks

[SRW]

Received the 2009 ASA book last night. Nice pretty cover. Editor should be fired, tho.

Pg. 38: width of catcher's box is only listed correctly for 16" SP. No total width is shown for the other 3 games.

Pg. 162: 42 pages of safety awareness.

Pg. 219: Elements of a Success Umpire.

That's just a quick look. I'm sure I'll find more.

Originally Posted by SRW

Pg. 162: 42 pages of safety awareness.

According to another thread, this wasn't an editorial mistake. Knowing some of the yahoos I work with around here, it was an editorial necessity.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by SRW

Received the 2009 ASA book last night. Nice pretty cover. Editor should be fired, tho.

They have an editor????

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by SRW

Received the 2009 ASA book last night. Nice pretty cover. Editor should be fired, tho.

Pg. 38: width of catcher's box is only listed correctly for 16" SP. No total width is shown for the other 3 games.

Pg. 162: 42 pages of safety awareness.

Pg. 219: Elements of a Success Umpire.

That's just a quick look. I'm sure I'll find more.

Quit yer whining!

[Skahtboi]

Personally, I was glad to see some of the changes/updates to the book.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Dakota

They have an editor????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0PIdWdw15U

[SRW]

Open up the 2009 rules.

Go to book page 106.

Read section B. Pay attention to the sentence beginning with "ASA's official playing rules" about half way thru the paragraph.

Now, I'm disappointed that ASA has not taken religious equality into consideration in their playing rules. Muslims and Jews will no longer play our sport.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by SRW

Open up the 2009 rules.

Go to book page 106.

Read section B. Pay attention to the sentence beginning with "ASA's official playing rules" about half way thru the paragraph.

Now, I'm disappointed that ASA has not taken religious equality into consideration in their playing rules. Muslims and Jews will no longer play our sport.

I'm not sure I'd want to umpire that game anyway. I have enough trouble with the drunks and smokers.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

I'm not sure I'd want to umpire that game anyway. I have enough trouble with the drunks and smokers.

I don't drink THAT often, and I quit smoking!

Oh, I still haven't had a smoke since Jan 1, btw. Woohoo!

Back to the subject at hand, will they have the PDF version available this year? It's not on officialgear.com...

[BretMan]

Just flipping through my shiny new book...

(Page 168- Safety Awareness Guide) Catcher Masks and Throat Protectors for Juniour Olympic Fast Pitch: Catcher's must wear an approved batter's helmet with ear flaps, the catcher's helmet and mask, or an approved plastic face mask/guard with catcher's helmet. A throat protector for Junior Olympic fast pitch catchers is mandatory.

WTF? Compare that with the equipment rule covering catcher's gear found under rule 3.

"An approved batter's helmet" is something altogether different than a "catcher's helmet"- either the kind made to have a conventional mask attached or the hockey-style helmets.

"An approved batter's helmet" is one with an approved NOCSAE facemask permanently attached and a chin strap.

Can a catcher wear a batting helmet with a face mask instead of the usual catcher's headgear? Where do you properly attach a throat protector to that? Does the catcher need to wear a conventional mask over top of the batting helmet face mask?

"An approved plastic face mask/guard"- isn't that the "Game Face" style of face protector described under rule 3 as the kind that "any defensive player" can wear?

Can the Game Face-type mask (like the ones worn by pitchers) be a suitable replacement for a conventional catcher's mask?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by BretMan

Just flipping through my shiny new book...

(Page 168- Safety Awareness Guide) Catcher Masks and Throat Protectors for Juniour Olympic Fast Pitch: Catcher's must wear an approved batter's helmet with ear flaps, the catcher's helmet and mask, or an approved plastic face mask/guard with catcher's helmet. A throat protector for Junior Olympic fast pitch catchers is mandatory.

WTF? Compare that with the equipment rule covering catcher's gear found under rule 3.

"An approved batter's helmet" is something altogether different than a "catcher's helmet"- either the kind made to have a conventional mask attached or the hockey-style helmets.

"An approved batter's helmet" is one with an approved NOCSAE facemask permanently attached and a chin strap.

Can a catcher wear a batting helmet with a face mask instead of the usual catcher's headgear? Where do you properly attach a throat protector to that? Does the catcher need to wear a conventional mask over top of the batting helmet face mask?

"An approved plastic face mask/guard"- isn't that the "Game Face" style of face protector described under rule 3 as the kind that "any defensive player" can wear?

Can the Game Face-type mask (like the ones worn by pitchers) be a suitable replacement for a conventional catcher's mask?

Keep reading.

[BretMan]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Keep reading.

Keep reading because I'll eventually find something that explains this, or keep reading because I'll find even more confusing directives in the Safety Guide?

Just trying to narrow it down- there's, like, 290 more pages of stuff to read!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by BretMan

Keep reading because I'll eventually find something that explains this, or keep reading because I'll find even more confusing directives in the Safety Guide?

Just trying to narrow it down- there's, like, 290 more pages of stuff to read!

Rule 3.5.D

[BretMan]

Of course, I had already read the actual rule and suspected that's where you were pointing me.

The rule says that a catcher "cannot merely wear the plastic face mask/guard". Doesn't that mean wear it alone, minus other proctective headgear required by the rule?

The SAG (we have a new acronym, and it's not the Screen Actors Guild) says that a plastic face mask/guard may be worn with a catcher's helmet.

Which brings me back to one of my original questions: Is the plastic face mask/guard a suitable replacement for the standard catcher's mask? (Note that I didn't say, "For the standard mask AND the helmet".)

My bigger question: Why does the Safety Guide offer guidelines that are so contradictary to the existing rules?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by BretMan

Of course, I had already read the actual rule and suspected that's where you were pointing me.

The rule says that a catcher "cannot merely wear the plastic face mask/guard". Doesn't that mean wear it alone, minus other proctective headgear required by the rule?

The SAG (we have a new acronym, and it's not the Screen Actors Guild) says that a plastic face mask/guard may be worn with a catcher's helmet.

Which brings me back to one of my original questions: Is the plastic face mask/guard a suitable replacement for the standard catcher's mask? (Note that I didn't say, "For the standard mask AND the helmet".)

My bigger question: Why does the Safety Guide offer guidelines that are so contradictary to the existing rules?

I must be missing your point because I don't see the contradiction.

TTBOMK, the Game Face or similar products to not carry NOCSAE-approval stamps, therefore would not be considered "approved".

Personally, this is one reason I think putting the SAG in the rule book is going to cause more issues in the future than it will provide resolution. IOW, I think it isn't too smart. Then again, I think it is stupid that manufacturers are required to put ludicrous safety warnings on their products. If someone needs to be told not to operate an electric saw while standing in a swimming pool filled with water, the world may be better off without them.