2009 ASA Rool buks

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I disagree.

Both sentences clearly indicate that a plastic face mask worn by a catcher must be approved.

Are you distantly related to Lewis Carroll? Or, maybe Bill Clinton?

[AtlUmpSteve]

Here's what I have heard on the topic.

The older rule that said a FP catcher could not wear a plastic face guard was editorially changed; the change doesn't (intend to) suggest that the plastic face guard might replace the mandated equipment, it is intended to now allow the faceguard to worn in addition to the required equipment. The former wording made that (both) illegal; while I don't expect to see a catcher wearing a GameFace or equivalent in addition to the required equipment, that change now makes it possible.

The Safety Guide wording is, quite simply, wrong; if you look at the wording for JO slowpitch catchers in the following paragraph, it is word-for-word, other than the last sentence regarding a throat protector. They (the editors) let the lesser slowpitch requirements be printed for both fastpitch and slowpitch. Thankfully, I don't believe anyone is foolish enough to believe that this would supercede the rule.

In re: a 2009 .PDF file, we were given a CD at the UIC Clinic with the 2009 Rulebook, Casebook, Umpire Manual and Clinic Guide. Since they exist, it is likely (and reasonably) only a matter of time before they are also commercially available.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

The Safety Guide wording is, quite simply, wrong; if you look at the wording for JO slowpitch catchers in the following paragraph, it is word-for-word, other than the last sentence regarding a throat protector. They (the editors) let the lesser slowpitch requirements be printed for both fastpitch and slowpitch. Thankfully, I don't believe anyone is foolish enough to believe that this would supercede the rule.

I'm sure there are plenty of explanations to go around. You look at it as wrong, I think CYA. Just like folks who used to argue that "resin" was incorrect and it should be "rosin".

Just because it is noted where it is, doesn't necessarily make it wrong. For all we know, someone had the foresight of what may be to come. After all, a couple years ago a batter's helmet was developed and produced as a single piece w/NOCSAE approval. Unfortunately, that did not coincide with the wording of the rule. Who is to say we will not see an approved one-piece plastic helmet or plastic face mask strong enough to be awarded NOCSAE approval?

The SAG is simply what it states, a GUIDE, not a rule. Of course, there already have been and will be folks who are going to want to cite the SAG as it applies to the game.

[Skahtboi]

p.163 "Anyone who has played softball, or any other contact sport..."

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

p.163 "Anyone who has played softball, or any other contact sport..."

How to you tag someone without contact?

[bkbjones]

Originally Posted by Dakota

How to you tag someone without contact?

"Spock, I said put your phaser on stun!!!"

To the best of my knowledge there has not never nohow been a NOCSAE standard for a catcher's MASK.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by bkbjones

"Spock, I said put your phaser on stun!!!"

To the best of my knowledge there has not never nohow been a NOCSAE standard for a catcher's MASK.

For the mask itself, that may be true. But in today's world, the catcher's headgear comes as a single unit and meet a NOCSAE standard.

A couple years ago at an ASA National equipment check-in, many of the catchers brought their helmet/masks and showed us the NOCSAE stamp, even though we did not request to see it.

And there are no NOCSAE requirements made by ASA, but that doesn't mean it gets ignored. While ASA demands an "approved" mask, I don't see where the standard of approval is noted.