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ASA Rule Changes
These are just my opinions based on the results and discussions from certain committees. However, nothing is ever in or out until approved by the general council.
What looks good to pass: No charged conference it the pitcher is removed from the position. Requiring certification mark on bats Including dents along with burrs and visible cracks to bat specs Approved multiple piece bats Moving to optic yellow ball only by 2010 HR limits for women's SP Change 20-second violation penalty to a ball on the batter as opposed to IP SP batter entering box with a 1-1 count Runner assistance violation during a dead ball period. What doesn't look good to pass: Strike mat definition Double plate for Co-Ed Restricting bank construction to wood and single aluminum Removing 11" ball from Co-Ed play Any change in the rules referring to changing the SP stealing rules. Removing metal spikes from men's SP Just about any change in JO metal spikes rules Adding an 11th fielder in SP Requiring a coach dress code Changing SP height to 10' 6-warm ups, 3 with each ball in the Co-Ed game Penalty for intentionally removing field markings Change in rule for allowing a deflected batted ball leaving play in fair territory Crashing into a defender without the ball Incorporating a specific "lighting safety guidelines" in the rules. |
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Too bad this is unlikely to make it The rest: indifferent about.
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Tom Last edited by Dakota; Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 12:21pm. |
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Not sure I'm happy with the possibility of a 1-1 count in SP. Is the game REALLY taking that long? C'mon... Most SP games are done in an hour, give or take 5 minutes.
And considering my previous post, I'd say I've got a pretty good gauge on how long a SP game should take. ![]()
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Dave I haven't decided if I should call it from the dugout or the outfield. Apparently, both have really great views! Screw green, it ain't easy being blue! I won't be coming here that much anymore. I might check in now and again. |
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Thanks for the information, Irish.
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The other rule changes I think need to happen that now look like they won't are 43' for 16U FP, and a 10 second rule for batters. To those of you unfamiliar with the process, the proposed rule changes go through numerous subcommittees. On Wednesday, proposed playing rule changes go to the Playing Rules Committee and propsed Code changes to the Legislative Committee. Each of those committees present a "Consent Agenda" of recommendations to the full council, after hearing the subcommittee recommendations (but not required to agree or adopt those opinions). On Thursday, the full council (about 280 voting members, right now) will vote; but, it requires a 60% plus 1 majority to override the recommendations of the "main" committeess. There are 70 votes on the Playing Rules Committee (I am one); there are 63 votes on Legislative.
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Steve ASA/ISF/NCAA/NFHS/PGF Last edited by AtlUmpSteve; Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 02:13pm. |
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Curious about the 10 second rule. Why do you think a change there needs to happen?
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The 1-1 count seems to be a positive change. Too many people think this is a speed-up rule. It is not. It is a rule change to encourage the batters to put the ball into play. Games with a 3-2 count are not that much shorter than games with a 4-3 count. |
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While game management skills can keep these from being in conflict, not everyone displays those skills. I find that what often results is a cat and mouse game of one-upmanship; batter stays out, pitcher waits for batter, batter asks for time, and on. This issue has been recently addressed by both NCAA (first) and (then) NFHS, by making the batter be ready to hit within 10 seconds of the return of the ball to the pitcher. This gives the pitcher at least 10 seconds to decide when to pitch and be in compliance. In my opinion, this is a better game management tool and allows a better game flow and tempo to occur than the current ASA rule. Not always an issue, but more of an issue in some ASA games than NFHS or NCAA, because of the rule differences. One foot in the box doesn't mean ready to hit within 10 seconds, and the 10 seconds works better, IMO.
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Look the games are short enough as it is: usually an hour, give or take 5-10 minutes. Most SP tournaments are able to keep with the schedule with only a few going over their time slots. I do see the advantage that a 1-1 gives a pitcher, as the batters won't wait until they have 1 or 2 strikes before taking a swing. They become less "choosey" and more willing to hit a ball that isn't their "perfect pitch." Still, I think it's unnecessary. Do we really want 45-minute games? Hell, I've even had 30-minute games with a 1-1. It's just silly. Leave it alone.
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Dave I haven't decided if I should call it from the dugout or the outfield. Apparently, both have really great views! Screw green, it ain't easy being blue! I won't be coming here that much anymore. I might check in now and again. |
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For one thing, I consider slow-to-get-ready batters to be a team characteristic, and not an individual batter (or worse, at-bat) characteristic. What I mean by that is once a batter for a team has earned the warning to get ready, they are all on a short leash for lollygagging. Maybe from a bigger picture perspective it is needed, but for me, it is unnecessary.
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I understand what you are saying, and I honestly don't care either way. But from my experience, the umpires that don't have game management skills enough to get the batters into the box and ready to hit with the rules as they are today won't have the "ability" (substitute stones, guts, gohonas(SP?)) to enforce this rule if it was passed.
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But this should make you happy. The proposed rule change has be amended to exclude the Masters and Senior games. |
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![]() But seriously, I don't think the game of SP needs to be modified like this. Same kind of thinking that went behind the 4' wide batters' boxes.
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Dave I haven't decided if I should call it from the dugout or the outfield. Apparently, both have really great views! Screw green, it ain't easy being blue! I won't be coming here that much anymore. I might check in now and again. |
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Good, less is more. I wouldnt have mind seeing metal spikes allowed, if only because I hate having to deal with that issue so much.
Glad to see the crash interference issue failing. The cracks in the bat is obviously a direct shot at the Stealths and the issues with it at nationals. Thank you for taking the time to keep us updated mike, it is appreciated.
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