FP hit by pitch

[bkbjones]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

In this case, there is a rule that says if a pitched ball hits the ground in front of home plate, or hits home plate, it's called a ball. There are no options given [in the rule] for what might happen after that ball did that.
Ted

As I said in my previous reply, the citation in Rule 8 concerns the batter becoming a runner. The citation in Rule 7 concerns the batter.

Another example: In Rule 7, we see the references to a ball being called on the batter. In Rule 8, we see that when four balls are called, the batter becomes a runner.

Even more simple:
*Rule 7 concerns the batter
*Rule 8 concerns the batter becoming a runner, and rules about runners.

If you make these homogenous, that is your problem. They are two totally different things.

BTW, do you have a brother or cousin named Brad?

(That spewing sound is SRW ruining his keyboard and monitor.)

[Tru_in_Blu]

I have no brothers. Don't have a cousin named Brad that I'm aware of.

I've called the HBP scenarios in games. I was just trying to qualify the call. And, yes, I look at the rules too literally at times, which may be the obverse of reading too much into the rules.

All the houses on B Street are made of brick.
John lives in a house on B Street.
Ergo, John lives in a brick house.

FP: A pitch that hits home plate is called a ball and is a live ball.
A pitch that hits a batter [not in the strike zone] is a dead ball.
Ergo, a pitch that hits home plate and then hits a batter is a live/dead ball.

Yeah, warped logic.

Ted

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

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FP: A pitch that hits home plate is called a ball and is a live ball.
A pitch that hits a batter [not in the strike zone] is a dead ball.
Ergo, a pitch that hits home plate and then hits a batter is a live/dead ball.

Yeah, warped logic.

Ted

oh boy.....

You got a game to run. Dont get caught up in twisting on invented issues. There are enough real issues that will find you.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

I have no brothers. Don't have a cousin named Brad that I'm aware of.

I've called the HBP scenarios in games. I was just trying to qualify the call. And, yes, I look at the rules too literally at times, which may be the obverse of reading too much into the rules.

All the houses on B Street are made of brick.
John lives in a house on B Street.
Ergo, John lives in a brick house.

FP: A pitch that hits home plate is called a ball and is a live ball.
A pitch that hits a batter [not in the strike zone] is a dead ball.
Ergo, a pitch that hits home plate and then hits a batter is a live/dead ball.

Yeah, warped logic.

Ted

Your logic train starts in the middle...

Start with this: Any pitch that hits the batter is a dead ball.

Now, continue...

[FullCount]

Maybe I'm looking on this too simplistically but it seems to me they both apply and they do not conflict. In your example you state the ball hit the plate. So at that moment in time it's a ball and still a live ball by Rule 7- at that moment. Moments later, the ball hits the batter out of the strike zone- it was a legally pitched ball and you state the batter is jumping back, hence she's trying to avoid being hit. So then it at that later moment in time it becomes a dead ball by Rule 8 and the batter is awarded first base. This isn't either/or logic; it's analog- sequential events in time and both rules are directly applicable.

[topper]

Originally Posted by FullCount

In your example you state the ball hit the plate. So at that moment in time it's a ball and still a live ball by Rule 7- at that moment. Moments later, the ball hits the batter out of the strike zone- it was a legally pitched ball and you state the batter is jumping back, hence she's trying to avoid being hit.

You show me a plate that sticks up far enough for this to happen, and I'll show you an unplayable field condition.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by topper

You show me a plate that sticks up far enough for this to happen, and I'll show you an unplayable field condition.

Then you better stay away from about 95% of the fields on which I've umpired.

[Tru_in_Blu]

OK, I like the "sequential process" explanation.

I know what the call should be. I've been HBP a few times and on occasion I've even hit a few batters myself.

So while I was cognizant of the rule application, I was struggling with how the rules were written.

Thanx for your inputs.

Ted

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

All the houses on B Street are made of brick.
John lives in a house on B Street.
Ergo, John lives in a brick house.

But living in a brick house doesn't mean that John must live on B St.

FP: A pitch that hits home plate is called a ball and is a live ball.
A pitch that hits a batter [not in the strike zone] is a dead ball.
Ergo, a pitch that hits home plate and then hits a batter is a live/dead ball.

Yeah, warped logic.

No, it's not. The ball that hits the plate is a ball and still live until it hits the batter. Now, it is a dead ball and a HBP.

A HBP must be a ball because it cannot be a strike. However, just because it is not a strike, doesn't mean it was a HBP.

Priorities.

[SRW]

Originally Posted by bkbjones

BTW, do you have a brother or cousin named Brad?

(That spewing sound is SRW ruining his keyboard and monitor.)

You not only ruined my monitor and keyboard, but brought up a bad memory to which I will need another 3 months of therapy. Thanks a lot, jerk.