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[CajunNewBlue]

R1 is waiting for the pitch and has back foot on bag and front foot is planted about 2ft on 2nd base side of infield...whilst waiting she is picking her back foot up and down in a "tapping" motion... kinda like timing the pitch. So im watching her and the DC is watching her from his bucket... So my question is: is this leaving early?
I didn't call anything on her as she made no motion to advance (and i wasn't sure if this was actually anything... I admit it ) and it was a "no rules" "friendly" tournament per the UIC's pep talk in the change room and DC didn't object during the 4 pitches she did it. But, since we are there to arbitrate the rule(s) and I couldnt find anything in my case books specifically about this. let me know.

[DeputyUICHousto]

Did her actions allow her to get to 2nd base any faster? I doubt I would call this.

[robbie]

Given your tournament situation and directive by the UIC, I'm not saying that it should have been called, but..................IN NSA, clearly an out.

NSA Rule 8, Section 8 - The baserunner is out: u. When the baserunner(s) fails to keep contact with their base until a legally pitched ball leaves the pitcher's hand. The ball is dead, "NO PITCH" is declared and the baserunner(s) is declared out."

Yes, the plural leads to some discussion (typically poorly worded NSA rules), but the situation is on point and clear - out.

[jmkupka]

I've seen NCAA umps watching like a hawk, when the runner is just shifting weight from foot to foot, for a break in contact with the bag.

I see what you're describing quite often, if anything I'll brush dirt off the bag & mention that she has to maintain contact- even then it's only if a DC has an issue with it.

[Dakota]

The only time you'd make that call would be if R1 is on 3B in the bottom of the 7th and represents the tying run.

[SRW]

Originally Posted by Dakota

The only time you'd make that call would be if R1 is on 3B in the bottom of the 7th and represents the tying run.

Oh there it is... the wink/rollseyes/grin/eek. It's tiny, but I think I see it.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by SRW

Oh there it is... the wink/rollseyes/grin/eek. It's tiny, but I think I see it.

I try to be subtle...

[youngump]

Originally Posted by DeputyUICHousto

Did her actions allow her to get to 2nd base any faster? I doubt I would call this.

Because no advantage was gained? Half the obvious significant look back rule violations don't have any advantage gained. If the girl at first leaves clearly early with the bases loaded and the other runners aren't going are you going to say not out because she didn't get an advantage?

As to the overall question, let me pose an alternative violation of the rule that I've been ignoring to make sure you all agree I should. The runner is at third. After the pitch she goes back to third where she stands just outside the diamond without touching the base while talking to her coach. She then slides her foot over to the bag. I've never figured it was in the spirit of the rule so I've never done anything. Everybody okay with that?
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[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by youngump

Because no advantage was gained? Half the obvious significant look back rule violations don't have any advantage gained. If the girl at first leaves clearly early with the bases loaded and the other runners aren't going are you going to say not out because she didn't get an advantage?

Nope. I have an out. If a runner from first gets enough of a head start she might be able to score. Sounds like an advantage to me.

Originally Posted by youngump

As to the overall question, let me pose an alternative violation of the rule that I've been ignoring to make sure you all agree I should. The runner is at third. After the pitch she goes back to third where she stands just outside the diamond without touching the base while talking to her coach. She then slides her foot over to the bag. I've never figured it was in the spirit of the rule so I've never done anything. Everybody okay with that?

How long is she standing off the bag? Not something I would usually worry about. Maybe if she's taking a long time to get her foot back over you could remind her quietly.

[SRW]

Young:
I'm with Seth here. In case 1, ring it. Call that out. Is it any difference if it's R1 on 3B, or R3 on 1B? Nope. Ring it.

In case 2, not so much with Seth. Give her the "one thousand one, one thousand two" and ring it. If she and her coach are dumb enough to miss that obvious part of the rule, they deserve to be taught a lesson with the out. Ring it.

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by SRW

In case 2, not so much with Seth. Give her the "one thousand one, one thousand two" and ring it. If she and her coach are dumb enough to miss that obvious part of the rule, they deserve to be taught a lesson with the out. Ring it.

I can go with that, too. I don't know that I've seen runners doing this.

[CecilOne]

I have stopped doing any coaching about rules, but sometimes bring something to a coach's attention (like very new players and some IP).
My reasons are that it is a disadvantage to the other team, it is intruding on the coach's job, and the player or coach might think I am also helping the other team more significantly.

Where is applying rules based on advantage defined in the books? I only learned it in basketball and soccer.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by SethPDX

Nope. I have an out. If a runner from first gets enough of a head start she might be able to score. Sounds like an advantage to me.

How long is she standing off the bag? Not something I would usually worry about. Maybe if she's taking a long time to get her foot back over you could remind her quietly.

That depends on how slow the coach has to speak to get her to understand the directions. And how do you suppose I'm going to quietly tell the runner on third to get back on the base from behind the plate?
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[DeputyUICHousto]

Originally Posted by youngump

I've never figured it was in the spirit of the rule so I've never done anything.

Okay, so you use "in the spirit of the rule" here huh? Why is applicable here but not in the OP? What is the spirit of the rule applicable to the OP? You're going to call a girl out because she's a millimeter off the base? Why would you even "see" this?

[youngump]

Originally Posted by DeputyUICHousto

Okay, so you use "in the spirit of the rule" here huh? Why is applicable here but not in the OP? What is the spirit of the rule applicable to the OP? You're going to call a girl out because she's a millimeter off the base? Why would you even "see" this?

I'm not talking about a millimeter off the base I'm talking about distance I can see from my behind the plate.
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