ASA Play

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by Rachel

The question is if the ball is a fair ball if the baseline is a line from 1st to 3rd or if the baseline is from 1st to 2nd to 3rd. I think that in softball it is a line from 1st to 3rd and this would be a fair ball.

Timing play - force was off.

If I remember right, Rachel, we had this discussion at the MSHSL State tournament 2 years ago. I believe we left the tent with a discrepency between ASA and NFHS.

ASA - the ball needs to land beyond the diamond (1B - 2B - 3B)
NFHS - the ball needs only to land beyond a diagonal from 1B to 3B to be fair

Is that what you remember as well?

[Rachel]

Mark:

Yes, that is what I remember I think. Baseball came into play in the discussion. The rest of the situation is not that hard to deal with. Mike is getting us to think of this. Right Mike?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

ASA FP

Bottom of 7th, tie score. One out, 1B & 2B occupied. Runners off with pitch, batter hits a high pop-up. PU calls IF and ball lands in the infield between the PP & 2B. Runners do not hesitate in their initial advance. The ball had a back spin that draws it back toward the plate.

Still in the box, the catcher grabs the ball and trys to tag R1 out, but too late. Catcher's throw to 3B is also late. OC now has pitcher appeal R2 missing 2B.

BU rules R2 out on the appeal. PU declares R1's run does not count because R2 passed the base prior to the run scoring.

Do you agree? If not, what is your call?

BTW, this is it, there is no more information. WYSIWYG. If you don't read it here, it didn't happen.

The correct ruling is Foul Ball. The batted ball never passed a 1st or 3rd, nor was it touched by a player in fair territory.

[wadeintothem]

Did you take ASA's "how to write a scenario, everyone on earth would get correct on the field, so poorly that most cant figure it out or get it correct on paper" class?

[JefferMC]

Now that I think about it, the closest point in fair territory is over 30" from the catcher's box. While possible, it doesn't seem likely the catcher managed that first touch in fair territory.

[greymule]

Last I looked (which was 2002), the imaginary 1B-3B line that NFHS uses for fair/foul in baseball does not apply in NFHS softball. If this is still true, then the pop described in the OP is a foul ball in NFHS as well. (And OBR.)

[bellnier]

Man...that's some wicked backspin...