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Old Thu Jul 10, 2008, 01:05am
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Pretty sure I kicked this one

I had a play in an ASA men's SP game earlier this week that I would appreciate some feedback on.

Two outs, bases empty. I am BU. B1 hits a deep shot to left center. I pivot in and take the BR around. Outfielder recovers and starts the relay as the runner rounds 2nd and heads for third. The ball beats the runner by a wide margin but F5 misses it and it skips away, several feet towards home. F5 is now on one knee, attempting to get up and chase after the ball but he is completely blocking the bag as the runner arrives at the base. The runner slows up a bit but still runs through the fielder. They both go down.

My first thought is obstruction but then the notion that the crash rule (8-7-Q) applied here led me to call the runner out. Obviously I neglected to remember that the crash rule applies only when a runner crashes a fielder who has the ball in his possesion. At the time, nobody seemed to argue the play much but it was bugging me. I looked it up at home that night and sure enough, I blew it.

During the play, I did not feel the contact was flagarant (and I still don't upong reflection) nor did I believe that it was a simple train wreck due to the ball beating the runner to the bag by a large margin. It seems the right call here would've been to rule obstruction, call the runner safe at third and eject him if I judged the contact to be flagarant. My only concern is the possible retaliation from the other team but I suppose that would be dealt with when it happens.

Am I off base in my line of thinking here? One thing is for sure, I won't be forgetting the crash rule anytime soon. I hate getting rules wrong!
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Old Thu Jul 10, 2008, 01:19am
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Did the fielder impede the progress of the runner who was legally running the bases without possession of the ball?

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Old Thu Jul 10, 2008, 03:50am
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Congratulations!
Knowing you blew the call AND looking up the correct rule is the way to learn! You'll never do this one wrong again.
Feeling bad about it is also part of the learning and accepting part. We have to learn from our mistakes, on the field and in real life. Sharing it with us can make others also better; we can also learn from your mistakes. And it might helps you to let the bad-feeling go away...

Tomorrow back on the field, you'll be a better umpire than yesterday!
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Old Thu Jul 10, 2008, 06:41am
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The kick is up... It's good! Welpe nails a 59-yard field goal!

It happens, man. Live, learn.
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I haven't decided if I should call it from the dugout or the outfield. Apparently, both have really great views!

Screw green, it ain't easy being blue!

I won't be coming here that much anymore. I might check in now and again.
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Old Thu Jul 10, 2008, 11:47am
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I had a play in an ASA men's SP game earlier this week that I would appreciate some feedback on.

Two outs, bases empty. I am BU. B1 hits a deep shot to left center. I pivot in and take the BR around. Outfielder recovers and starts the relay as the runner rounds 2nd and heads for third. The ball beats the runner by a wide margin but F5 misses it and it skips away, several feet towards home. F5 is now on one knee, attempting to get up and chase after the ball but he is completely blocking the bag as the runner arrives at the base. The runner slows up a bit but still runs through the fielder. They both go down.

My first thought is obstruction but then the notion that the crash rule (8-7-Q) applied here led me to call the runner out. Obviously I neglected to remember that the crash rule applies only when a runner crashes a fielder who has the ball in his possesion. At the time, nobody seemed to argue the play much but it was bugging me. I looked it up at home that night and sure enough, I blew it.

During the play, I did not feel the contact was flagarant (and I still don't upong reflection) nor did I believe that it was a simple train wreck due to the ball beating the runner to the bag by a large margin. It seems the right call here would've been to rule obstruction, call the runner safe at third and eject him if I judged the contact to be flagarant. My only concern is the possible retaliation from the other team but I suppose that would be dealt with when it happens.

Am I off base in my line of thinking here? One thing is for sure, I won't be forgetting the crash rule anytime soon. I hate getting rules wrong!
Obstruction is the call. The "crash" rule does not apply as the fielder did not have the ball.

The only other option you have is unsportsmanlike conduct against the runner, but that is up to you and your judgment.
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Old Thu Jul 10, 2008, 12:05pm
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Thanks everyone. Good to see I at least know what I should do now. Dutch Alex, thanks. That is my goal, to always improve.

Dave, that just hurts.
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Old Thu Jul 10, 2008, 12:22pm
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Thanks everyone. Good to see I at least know what I should do now. Dutch Alex, thanks. That is my goal, to always improve.

Dave, that just hurts.
Well, at least you didn't tackle the runner like I did a week ago.

We all bone things up now and then, my friend. I'm certainly no exception.

Group hug?
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I won't be coming here that much anymore. I might check in now and again.
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