Angry Coach

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by JefferMC

Maybe his catcher's inability to prevent a passed ball?
Perhaps the groundskeeper's inability to prevent holes under the backstop?

Or, pitcher's inability to avoid a wild pitch in a critical situation? (Pitch in the dirt? Not likely a passed ball, unless F1's mom is the scorekeeper! )

[youngump]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Or, pitcher's inability to avoid a wild pitch in a critical situation? (Pitch in the dirt? Not likely a passed ball, unless F1's mom is the scorekeeper! )

Actually, wild pitch by rule (at least in baseball, I've never read the scoring section of the fast pitch rule book). A strike cannot be a passed ball.
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[JefferMC]

Originally Posted by youngump

Actually, wild pitch by rule (at least in baseball, I've never read the scoring section of the fast pitch rule book). A strike cannot be a passed ball.

Do what? A strike can't be a passed ball? Don't you have that backwards?

[cpa]

Actually, it makes all the differerence in the world as to whether the pitch is a strike or a ball:

1) If a strike, then you have a batter-runner who is awarded !B and they must fulfill their obligation (i.e - proceed to 1B) or they can jeopardize this walk off win w/ a properly made appeal -- regardless of what the runner at third does or does not do

2) If a ball, there is no burden on batter to do anything except not assist the winning runner coming home

Either way, the runner on third is awarded home, but in the first case her winning run is conditional upon what the BR does and the defense's response

I can visualize IN THIS CASE, if either runner is to be called out on appeal for failure to fulfill obligations, 90% of the time it will be the BR failing to proceed to 1B, not the winning run failing to touch home -- especially if the "winners" are in the first base dugout

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by cpa

Actually, it makes all the differerence in the world as to whether the pitch is a strike or a ball:

1) If a strike, then you have a batter-runner who is awarded !B and they must fulfill their obligation (i.e - proceed to 1B) or they can jeopardize this walk off win w/ a properly made appeal -- regardless of what the runner at third does or does not do

2) If a ball, there is no burden on batter to do anything except not assist the winning runner coming home

Either way, the runner on third is awarded home, but in the first case her winning run is conditional upon what the BR does and the defense's response

I can visualize IN THIS CASE, if either runner is to be called out on appeal for failure to fulfill obligations, 90% of the time it will be the BR failing to proceed to 1B, not the winning run failing to touch home -- especially if the "winners" are in the first base dugout

I think I covered that...

Originally Posted by Dakota

Doesn't matter what the pitch was (ball or strike - except as it might pertain to a possible appeal at 1B),...

But, thanks for providing all the detail of what "a possible appeal at 1B" entails.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by cpa

Actually, it makes all the differerence in the world as to whether the pitch is a strike or a ball:

1) If a strike, then you have a batter-runner who is awarded !B and they must fulfill their obligation (i.e - proceed to 1B) or they can jeopardize this walk off win w/ a properly made appeal -- regardless of what the runner at third does or does not do

2) If a ball, there is no burden on batter to do anything except not assist the winning runner coming home

Either way, the runner on third is awarded home, but in the first case her winning run is conditional upon what the BR does and the defense's response

I can visualize IN THIS CASE, if either runner is to be called out on appeal for failure to fulfill obligations, 90% of the time it will be the BR failing to proceed to 1B, not the winning run failing to touch home -- especially if the "winners" are in the first base dugout

I thought we covered that by leaving before they had a chance?

[JefferMC]

Originally Posted by youngump

Actually, wild pitch by rule (at least in baseball, I've never read the scoring section of the fast pitch rule book). A strike cannot be a passed ball.

Not according to OBR. It discusses how to score the runner reaching first on passed ball and on a wild pitch.

But, Dakota is right, it may well have been a WP. (For anyone who might actually care, according to OBR, it would be if it hits the dirt before it got to the catcher). Maybe the coach is mad at himself for calling for a drop with an 0-2 count.

[bkbjones]

Originally Posted by youngump

Actually, wild pitch by rule (at least in baseball, I've never read the scoring section of the fast pitch rule book). A strike cannot be a passed ball.

Go tell Mickey Owen a strike can't be a passed ball.

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