Canada v. USA

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I think you are full of $hit, myself. I'm still looking for the robots and I have yet to end up out of position due to an ASA mechanic.

In 2 man,

WHen in B calling a DP, you should not be moving towards 1B while calling the out at 2B. Doing so can lead to missing dropped balls, out/safes quick calls, missing crash INT and other things.

You should be stationary and swiveling to 1B after the play completes at 2B.

Admit its a terrible mechanic.

If you've ever used that taught mechanic, you have been in wrong position for the call at 2B, because you should not be moving. That is absurd.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

In 2 man,

WHen in B calling a DP, you should not be moving towards 1B while calling the out at 2B. Doing so can lead to missing dropped balls, out/safes quick calls, missing crash INT and other things.

You should be stationary and swiveling to 1B after the play completes at 2B.

Admit its a terrible mechanic.

If you've ever used that taught mechanic, you have been in wrong position for the call at 2B, because you should not be moving. That is absurd.

Strangely, that "bad mechanic" is exactly what they taught us at the NUS this year.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Strangely, that "bad mechanic" is exactly what they taught us at the NUS this year.

Its ASA's taught mechanic and creates a set of moving bouncing eyeballs watching a play..

It goes against the human anatomy and the way our eyes work and why you will see more missed calls out/safes on that play than any other.

The only time its good is when its routine.

if anything messes up at 2B, the mechanic lacks.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Its ASA's taught mechanic and creates a set of moving bouncing eyeballs watching a play..

It goes against the human anatomy and the way our eyes work and why you will see more missed calls out/safes on that play than any other.

The only time its good is when its routine.

if anything messes up at 2B, the mechanic lacks.

Nothing's "routine" at the ol' ball field. Just when you think it will be, something goes wrong.

I agree that stationary calls are better.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Its ASA's taught mechanic and creates a set of moving bouncing eyeballs watching a play..

It goes against the human anatomy and the way our eyes work and why you will see more missed calls out/safes on that play than any other.

The only time its good is when its routine.

if anything messes up at 2B, the mechanic lacks.

Point one, no one said you couldn't voice your opinion. I just simply voiced mine of what I thought of yours.

Point two, there is no issue with STEPPING toward 1B while watching the play at 2B. Again, you are making an excuse for what you consider a poor mechanic that thousands routinely execute with no problem. And if you missed a dropped ball at 2B, YOU did not properly execute the mechanic of which you are speaking since that mechanic teaches the umpire to stay with the ball. The only way you miss a dropped ball is by failing to stay with the ball. I submit your issue isn't the mechanic.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Point one, no one said you couldn't voice your opinion. I just simply voiced mine of what I thought of yours.

Point two, there is no issue with STEPPING toward 1B while watching the play at 2B. Again, you are making an excuse for what you consider a poor mechanic that thousands routinely execute with no problem. And if you missed a dropped ball at 2B, YOU did not properly execute the mechanic of which you are speaking since that mechanic teaches the umpire to stay with the ball. The only way you miss a dropped ball is by failing to stay with the ball. I submit your issue isn't the mechanic.

Stepping towards 1B isn't so much the problem. It's when an umpire turns his/her body away from the ball and towards 1B prematurely. Now, the umpire is looking over their shoulder and may lose the focus on the play. This is not something that was emphasized at the NUS.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Point one, no one said you couldn't voice your opinion. I just simply voiced mine of what I thought of yours.

Point two, there is no issue with STEPPING toward 1B while watching the play at 2B. Again, you are making an excuse for what you consider a poor mechanic that thousands routinely execute with no problem. And if you missed a dropped ball at 2B, YOU did not properly execute the mechanic of which you are speaking since that mechanic teaches the umpire to stay with the ball. The only way you miss a dropped ball is by failing to stay with the ball. I submit your issue isn't the mechanic.

The only time it is routinely executed is when it is routine. WHen I am PU I watch very closely because this poor mechanic is a goof up waiting to happen. When I am BU, I already know to be careful with this poor mechanic so I dont make that error. ANd yes I have learned by experience what a horrible mechanic this is.

And you are full of it.. the mechanic is to be moving towards 1B with your head turned towards 2B and your hand up in the hammer saying "out" Your body is moving one way, your call is made looking over your shoulder.

If you dont do that, then you admit I am correct. Because that is exactly what is taught. It is impossible to "stay with the ball" with this mechanic.

[wadeintothem]

On plays at the plate.. Working inside the plate is terrible and you can easily be in the way... holding area up 3B like is ok on some plays and even necessary in 2man some times... both are inferier to 3Base line extended on plays involving extrabase hits where a swipe tag is probable.

[wadeintothem]

PU should rarely ever go into the diamond when covering 3B. It is better to make the call from outside the line. You can get a great 90 from there. There is no need to come in to get a backwards 90 to 3B. It is inferior on 90% of calls from there and no benefit is gained which would out way the fact your back is turned on most of the players and the field and where the ball is coming from.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

The only time it is routinely executed is when it is routine. WHen I am PU I watch very closely because this poor mechanic is a goof up waiting to happen. When I am BU, I already know to be careful with this poor mechanic so I dont make that error. ANd yes I have learned by experience what a horrible mechanic this is.

And you are full of it.. the mechanic is to be moving towards 1B with your head turned towards 2B and your hand up in the hammer saying "out" Your body is moving one way, your call is made looking over your shoulder.

If you dont do that, then you admit I am correct. Because that is exactly what is taught. It is impossible to "stay with the ball" with this mechanic.

It is impossible to "stay with the ball" with any mechanic unless making the call from across the diamond. No umpire is going to be able to refocus if they are moving their head with the ball.

The only part that I do not teach of the written mechanic is where the umpire is told to move quickly toward 1B.

This mechanic is not that much of a problem. Hasn't been in my 20+ years of softball and doubt it ever will be.

AFA the signal, it is secondary to the continuing play. I don't even think about it until the ball has left the defender's hand toward 1B while I'm waiting for that play to finish. There have been times that the play was turned so quickly, I didn't have time to make any signal, but I can guarantee, everyone heard the "out" call. If there is any possibility of confusion, after the sell on the play at first, I will turn back toward second, point at the base and give the signal.

Sorry you have a problem with it. Might I suggest a good school?

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

It is impossible to "stay with the ball" with any mechanic unless making the call from across the diamond. No umpire is going to be able to refocus if they are moving their head with the ball.

The only part that I do not teach of the written mechanic is where the umpire is told to move quickly toward 1B.

This mechanic is not that much of a problem. Hasn't been in my 20+ years of softball and doubt it ever will be.

AFA the signal, it is secondary to the continuing play. I don't even think about it until the ball has left the defender's hand toward 1B while I'm waiting for that play to finish. There have been times that the play was turned so quickly, I didn't have time to make any signal, but I can guarantee, everyone heard the "out" call. If there is any possibility of confusion, after the sell on the play at first, I will turn back toward second, point at the base and give the signal.

Sorry you have a problem with it. Might I suggest a good school?

hey sweetie pie, you cant disregard teaching what is taught at NUS then pretend to support the mechanic.

NOw you must admit: wade is correct, and in fact this mechanic is so bad you cheat ASA and have invented your own mechanic.

At least when I teach, I teach ASA.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Go stand in a corner.