A weird weekend for weird plays...

[Chess Ref]

I was under the impression the Mizuno glove,with yellow stitching, was legal......

I am more than willing to be corrected on this though....

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

I was under the impression the Mizuno glove,with yellow stitching, was legal......

Common sense would make one think is should be, but it is not by rule.

[DaveASA/FED]

Well it is not as it is off the shelf, now with a little Sharpie work that glove is just fine

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Common sense would make one think is should be, but it is not by rule.

Would you say that is what the rule actually states? I don't think so.

I would say it is not by official interpretation of the rule.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

Would you say that is what the rule actually states? I don't think so.

"The Pitcher's glove may be of one solid color or multicolored as long as the color(s) are not the color of the ball being used in the game."

I would say it is not by official interpretation of the rule.

Well, according to the June clarifications, it is. I am assuming that the "yellow" on the glove is the same color as the ball, not just any shade of yellow.

Please note, I'm not saying I agree with it, just the way it seems ASA supervisor wants it.

[NYBLUE]

2008 NCAA Rules (Page 50)

The catcher may wear a leather glove or leather mitt of any dimension.
Gloves/mitts worn by players may not be the color of the ball but may be
any combination of other colors. The pitcher’s glove may be tan, brown, grey
or black, or any combination of those colors. Glove lacing may be any color
other than that of the ball.

EFFECT — If noticed before a play, the umpire shall direct
the fielder to remove the glove/mitt. Should the illegal glove/
mitt reappear, the offending player shall be ejected.
If a play is made with the illegal glove/mitt, the offensive coach
has the choice of taking the result of the play or having the play
nullified. If nullified, the batter returns to bat, runners return
to the bases occupied at the time of the last pitch and play is
resumed.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

"The Pitcher's glove may be of one solid color or multicolored as long as the color(s) are not the color of the ball being used in the game."



Well, according to the June clarifications, it is. I am assuming that the "yellow" on the glove is the same color as the ball, not just any shade of yellow.

Please note, I'm not saying I agree with it, just the way it seems ASA supervisor wants it.

What I'm saying is that the Mizuno glove is a black glove with yellow logo and markings. That is different from saying it is a black and yellow glove, like the Jenny Finch glove is black and pink. No part of the body of the glove is yellow; it is black with a very minor yellow marking.

Take, as a point of comparison, the ASA powder blue uniform shirt. Would you not agree that it is powder blue? Or would you say it is multicolored, because it has about 1% navy blue in the ASA logo and trim, and 0.5% white trim? KR is saying that glove is multicolored, despite the multiple efforts to match interpretations with NCAA and NFHS, both of which more clearly state that the color of a glove does NOT include logo's, laces, or other minor markings.

So, again, I say that is the interpretation, but not necessarily what the rule actually says. Not the first or only time; I have always questioned how running/crashing into a player not making a play can also be interference, when every other interpretation of interference makes it clear there must be a play to be interfered with. USC, sure; interference, only because they say so.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

What I'm saying is that the Mizuno glove is a black glove with yellow logo and markings. That is different from saying it is a black and yellow glove, like the Jenny Finch glove is black and pink. No part of the body of the glove is yellow; it is black with a very minor yellow marking.

Take, as a point of comparison, the ASA powder blue uniform shirt. Would you not agree that it is powder blue? Or would you say it is multicolored, because it has about 1% navy blue in the ASA logo and trim, and 0.5% white trim? KR is saying that glove is multicolored, despite the multiple efforts to match interpretations with NCAA and NFHS, both of which more clearly state that the color of a glove does NOT include logo's, laces, or other minor markings.

Steve, not arguing against you for the rule. I think it is ridiculous. However, in the June clarifications, the "rule of thumb" and reasoning contradict each other.

A good rule of thumb would be to hold the game ball next to the glove in question and see if they are the same color. If they are, then the PITCHER can not use that glove. The intent of the rule is to not have a glove that appears to have a ball in it or that can be a distraction to the batter by having the game ball color on it.

The "rule of thumb" seems to clearly state that if the colors are the same through comparison, the pitcher cannot use the glove. However, I think the final sentence muddies the waters more than helps clarify it. After all, who cares if it seems there is a ball in the glove? What difference does that make in the pitching game?

I have always questioned how running/crashing into a player not making a play can also be interference, when every other interpretation of interference makes it clear there must be a play to be interfered with. USC, sure; interference, only because they say so.

I agree. Then again, I would like to see clearer language to address the no-ball collision situations.

[wadeintothem]

Neither the Mizuno (more of an optic greenish yellowish) nor the Wilson (straight yellow) perfectly match the game ball.

Thats excellent.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Common sense would make one think is should be, but it is not by rule.

Depends on sanction & jurisdiction.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Depends on sanction & jurisdiction.

From OP:

In one ASA JO FP game Saturday:
- Rule 3-4 : Pitcher with black Mizuno glove with yellow stitching.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

From OP:

In one ASA JO FP game Saturday:
- Rule 3-4 : Pitcher with black Mizuno glove with yellow stitching.

I know, but we do have wider participation to educate and AUS said "KR is saying that glove is multicolored, despite the multiple efforts to match interpretations with NCAA and NFHS, both of which more clearly state that the color of a glove does NOT include logo's, laces, or other minor markings."