He spit at me....

[SRW]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

The game ends,the teams are doing the post game handshake. I'm picking up the softballs and he calls me a son of a b@t%&.

So I eject ...

Why bother at this point? Tell him "thank you", and leave. He's already peeved at you, why make it worse? Now you also have to write a funky report about how you ejected a player during the post-game handshake, and you have to now worry about him spitting on you, or worse.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by SRW

Why bother at this point? Tell him "thank you", and leave. He's already peeved at you, why make it worse? Now you also have to write a funky report about how you ejected a player during the post-game handshake, and you have to now worry about him spitting on you, or worse.

I agree with that, too. I would have ignored him, without the ejection, unless it was so loud as to be unignorable. But, once it progressed to spitting at you, the guy has anger issues, and needs to learn limits.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by SRW

Why bother at this point? Tell him "thank you", and leave. He's already peeved at you, why make it worse? Now you also have to write a funky report about how you ejected a player during the post-game handshake, and you have to now worry about him spitting on you, or worse.

You bother because it is unacceptable behavior on a ballfield and, more importantly, to document the event.

BTW, a prosecutor would/should file involving spitting on an individual especially if there were health concerns.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by SRW

Why bother at this point? Tell him "thank you", and leave. He's already peeved at you, why make it worse? Now you also have to write a funky report about how you ejected a player during the post-game handshake, and you have to now worry about him spitting on you, or worse.

I didn't make it worse. He did. The longer I do this the more of a believer I am not people's personal verbal punching bag. He acted the fool I rewarded him for his behavior and he took it a step further.

There were about 40-50 people who heard and saw his actions. They, other SP players, were upset by his behavior. Even heard one comment " if that doesn't get you ejected nothing will."

Writing a report took about as much time as this latest post of mine. I don't mind it at all. I .usually, volunteer to do it in my other sports because partners would rather be abused then fill out an email that takes less then 5 minutes to write.

I believe my actions were a no brainer and I wouldn't change my actions one bit.

[SRW]

Don't get me wrong guys... I'm separating the actions into distinct things...

After the game had ended:
1. He called you a son of a B.
2. Because of #1, you ejected him.
3. Because of #2, he spat at you.

It was just #1... I would have left it alone. Just leave. No need to stick around and engage in a verbal sparring match after the game is already over. And in my opinion, no need to proceed to #2. Once you do that, now you have to stand there and get his team name, player name, and go through the process.

But you ejected... and he spat at you. Absolutely, without a doubt, no questions - write it up, and submit it. And I tend to agree that the police report is warranted. Nothing may be done, but it sets a history on this guy in case something in the future escalates.

[bkbjones]

Originally Posted by SRW

Don't get me wrong guys... I'm separating the actions into distinct things...

After the game had ended:
1. He called you a son of a B.
2. Because of #1, you ejected him.
3. Because of #2, he spat at you.

It was just #1... I would have left it alone. Just leave. No need to stick around and engage in a verbal sparring match after the game is already over. And in my opinion, no need to proceed to #2. Once you do that, now you have to stand there and get his team name, player name, and go through the process.

But you ejected... and he spat at you. Absolutely, without a doubt, no questions - write it up, and submit it. And I tend to agree that the police report is warranted. Nothing may be done, but it sets a history on this guy in case something in the future escalates.

Let's take it a little further...instead of spitting, the player says, "You ought to have your mf *** kicked for making a call like that, you flaking corksoaker."

Is that enough to warrant a police report?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by bkbjones

Let's take it a little further...instead of spitting, the player says, "You ought to have your mf *** kicked for making a call like that, you flaking corksoaker."

Is that enough to warrant a police report?

I doubt it since there was no threat.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I doubt it since there was no threat.

In NC, the "flaking corksoaker" is still considered "simple assault." Probably in most other states, too.

[wadeintothem]

If you call the cops, it is your last night working. The word will spread among the beer league guys and you are done pretty much IMO.

Beer league guys dont like cops being called.

So call them if you have too, but thats it. Thats your resignation.

Or watch your back BIG TIME.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

In NC, the "flaking corksoaker" is still considered "simple assault." Probably in most other states, too.

In what country? This is nothing more than name calling. BFD!

[archangel]

Originally Posted by SRW

Don't get me wrong guys... I'm separating the actions into distinct things...

After the game had ended:
1. He called you a son of a B.
2. Because of #1, you ejected him.
3. Because of #2, he spat at you.

It was just #1... I would have left it alone. Just leave. No need to stick around and engage in a verbal sparring match after the game is already over. And in my opinion, no need to proceed to #2. Once you do that, now you have to stand there and get his team name, player name, and go through the process.

In the SP leagues I do, approx 150 games per season (when HS baseball is over), an ejection is a 2 game penalty- which, if after the game but still on the field, means the next 2 games. By NOT ignoring the action, 2 things happen:
1. All those players now know what they can do to you, plus free shots postgame
2. Other umpires now have to deal w/ potential probs that you didnt

Announcing "You're Gone!" is not a verbal sparring match....and trust me on this, ejecting the player DOES send a message that other players see, and most remember..who wants to sit 2 games of a 10 game season?

Man up, grow a pair, and deal with the sich....Oh, and I probably toss maybe 2-3 per year, basically cause the players recognise who they can push, and who they cant.....

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by SRW

Why bother at this point? Tell him "thank you", and leave. He's already peeved at you, why make it worse? Now you also have to write a funky report about how you ejected a player during the post-game handshake, and you have to now worry about him spitting on you, or worse.

I completely disagree. His actions are caused by a complete disregard for decency, sportsmanship and respect for authority.

I reiterate what I've said in the past. If an umpire ignores this behavior, he only makes things that much harder for the rest of us. If tossing the player requires paperwork, I will gladly take the time to see it done. Paperwork should never hinder an umpire from doing the right thing.