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[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Someone please remind me NOT to umpire in CA.

We got real players out here. It pretty tough for east coasters, who's best gold teams are about equivalent to our B teams, to keep up.

I also doubt you would have a very good time out here trying to sell our 14-18U/G coaches that a drop ball was "really in possession at the time of the tag, until she dropped it, so its an out".

That may work out there.. it doesnt wash in the home of softball land.

So heres your reminder.. stay in DE.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Don't believe that for a second. If I judge the fielder had control of the ball after a tag, I'm calling the out. I'm not going looking for trouble, but I certainly am not going to back off a valid call because of perception.

The problem that there are umpires that believe a ball on the ground means the runner cannot be out is just as ridiculous as those who believe a runner cannot be called out if the tag is high on the player's body.

It all depends on how and when the ball got on the ground, just as the outcome of a high tag relies upon whether it occured before or after the runner contacts (and maintains contact with) the base.

In ALL plays where the defender has caught the ball and applies a tag but the collision jars the ball loose, the argument could be made that at the nano second of the tag, the player has possession.. and as of that exact nano second the player is out, the rest of the play is irrelevant.

So by rule, thats an out.

That makes as much sense as calling a by the book strike zone or anything else that requires a little common sense and ..

you know um, judgment.

[JefferMC]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Operative words being "couldn't be 100% sure of control", so an out would be a guess.

Which is why I called her safe. The DC didn't agree, of course.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

We got real players out here. It pretty tough for east coasters, who's best gold teams are about equivalent to our B teams, to keep up.

If you only had a clue. Do you honestly believe your BS? Do you think we are not aware of the advantages of warm-weather teams. Then again, many of the girls on the east coast actually have a life outside of softball and aren't dumb enough to chase that scholarship carrot.

I also doubt you would have a very good time out here trying to sell our 14-18U/G coaches that a drop ball was "really in possession at the time of the tag, until she dropped it, so its an out".

What's the matter, no balls for tough calls? Every year that we have had CA teams here, the coaches have always gone out of their way to thank the umpires after the tournaments.

That may work out there.. it doesnt wash in the home of softball land.

So heres your reminder.. stay in DE.

Don't have a problem with that. I've worked with some good umpires from your area and many other parts of the country. I'll take any of the umpires from this region any day, any tournament.

But I have a little problem keeping them in DE. I have umpires that are being requested to work nationals without their names even being submitted. Wonder why that is?

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

We got real players out here. It pretty tough for east coasters, who's best gold teams are about equivalent to our B teams, to keep up.

Yeah, 7 of your Cal 18 Gold teams came to Auburn, AL, this past weekend, thinking the same thing. There were 6 Gold berths available; they went home with none. 5 of the 6 stayed in our Territory (the 6th went to Kansas City, MO), 2 to Georgia, 1 to Florida. Pretty much east coast.

Better stop sending those B teams east.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

Yeah, 7 of your Cal 18 Gold teams came to Auburn, AL, this past weekend, thinking the same thing. There were 6 Gold berths available; they went home with none. 5 of the 6 stayed in our Territory (the 6th went to Kansas City, MO), 2 to Georgia, 1 to Florida. Pretty much east coast.

Better stop sending those B teams east.

HA! Well I guess the fight for tieing for 43th place is going to be real tough with all those good AL teams in the running then.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

If you only had a clue. Do you honestly believe your BS? Do you think we are not aware of the advantages of warm-weather teams.blah blah blah sour grapes sour grapes its cold here sour grapes girls with life at the frozen pond wishing they could play ball sour grapes sour grapes

Hmm

Now thats a d@mn good question Mike.

No, I dont guess I believe all of my BS.

Gotta have some fun though.

[IRISHMAFIA]

If you only had a clue. Do you honestly believe your BS? Do you think we are not aware of the advantages of warm-weather teams.blah blah blah sour grapes sour grapes its cold here sour grapes girls with life at the frozen pond wishing they could play ball sour grapes sour grapes

If you are going to credit a statement to me, at least make it accurate. What you don't get is that umpires in the East really don't give a $hit about how good the teams are here or there. We don't have a horse in that race. Most only care that they have the opportunity to see and umpire good competitive ball, not watch some team march on and off a field and perform cadenced calisthentics.

We know the competitive teams from CA are good and they should be when dedicating 70% of one's youth to practice and playing. But that's their parents choice because they are foolish enough to believe their daughter is the next Fernandez, Mendoza, Finch, etc. So much money wasted that could go to better use.

[kcg NC2Ablu]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

We got real players out here. It pretty tough for east coasters, who's best gold teams are about equivalent to our B teams, to keep up.

I also doubt you would have a very good time out here trying to sell our 14-18U/G coaches that a drop ball was "really in possession at the time of the tag, until she dropped it, so its an out".

That may work out there.. it doesnt wash in the home of softball land.

So heres your reminder.. stay in DE.

to bad you dont have real umpires... especially if they ignore rules and rule books like you. When was the last time you were on the east coast... as I recall we have the only pitcher who shut out the USA team.... so much for not having real players huh?.. here is your reminder CAL isnt as good as you think it is...

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

to bad you dont have real umpires... especially if they ignore rules and rule books like you. When was the last time you were on the east coast... as I recall we have the only pitcher who shut out the USA team.... so much for not having real players huh?.. here is your reminder CAL isnt as good as you think it is...

Dont be so touchy.

Boy you guys on the east coast take being 2nd fiddle way to hard.

The only thing worse, is east coast AND SOUTH.

That said, there is no argument Tincher is good... almost good enough to make the team when she tried out.

Almost.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

.....What you don't get is that umpires in the East really don't give a $hit about how good the teams are here or there. We don't have a horse in that race. .

You should tell that to your new buddy from VA.

He cares A LOT.

This is a very important issue to him.

[kcg NC2Ablu]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Dont be so touchy.

Boy you guys on the east coast take being 2nd fiddle way to hard.

The only thing worse, is east coast AND SOUTH.

That said, there is no argument Tincher is good... almost good enough to make the team when she tried out.

Almost.

But good enough to shutout the team she was cut from... hmm something is wrong with your logic. I dont recall a PAC-10 team shutting down USA...While yes the PAC-10 is dominant it doesnt mean were second fiddle by any means... and just because you wont enforce rules correctly and wont call the strike zone as the book says doesnt mean I am touchy. Go to an NCAA evaluation and try calling a zone that is not the one by book.. let me know how that goes

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

But good enough to shutout the team she was cut from... hmm something is wrong with your logic. I dont recall a PAC-10 team shutting down USA...While yes the PAC-10 is dominant it doesnt mean were second fiddle by any means... and just because you wont enforce rules correctly and wont call the strike zone as the book says doesnt mean I am touchy. Go to an NCAA evaluation and try calling a zone that is not the one by book.. let me know how that goes

Are you saying you think it should be called Team California (oh and Cat) at the olympics? Or maybe Team PAC10?

Is that what you are saying?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Nothing more needs to be said,....

Guess I was wrong.

[argodad]

"My daddy can beat your daddy!

Well oh yeah? Your mommy wears combat boots!

nyah nyah nyah ny yah yah

I can walk over to the pre-school playground and get the same maturity I just read here. We're better than this, my friends.