Too close? Too far? Just right?

[shipwreck]

What makes you think this is a tag play? Looks to me like a force play. Defensive player's foot close to being on top of the bag, glove of defensive player just held out with no attempt to tag the runner and defensive player looking toward the umpire hoping to get an out call. If it was a tag play she would be looking at the runner. JMHO Dave

[DNTXUM P]

What makes you think this is a tag play? Looks to me like a force play. Defensive player's foot close to being on top of the bag, glove of defensive player just held out with no attempt to tag the runner and defensive player looking toward the umpire hoping to get an out call. If it was a tag play she would be looking at the runner. JMHO Dave 
Today 06:58pm 

Fielders feet were originally stradling the bag to prevent obstruction and she is now stepping backward. If this were a force, she would have had one foot at the front edge of the bag and would have stepped towards the throw after it arrived. Also, I was at the game and remember the play!!!

[wadeintothem]

If you have to move your head down to see the bag or up to see the ball.. you are too close.

I would think this umpire is too close.

[kcg NC2Ablu]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

If you have to move your head down to see the bag or up to see the ball.. you are too close.

I would think this umpire is too close.

then you dont own a manual.... 6-8 ft tag play depth

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

then you dont own a manual.... 6-8 ft tag play depth

That doesn't make it right, just what someone has gotten in the manual.

He is correct, if the umpire should not lose sight of base to watch the defender catch the ball.

[CajunNewBlue]

ok maybe its just me... but looking at the distance from the base (play) and the height of the umpire (and taking into account the "step" to sell the call)... she's only about 4.5 to 5 feet away..... too close (or maybe the third baseman is 7 feet tall)

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

then you dont own a manual.... 6-8 ft tag play depth

First, I think this umpire is closer than that.

Second, never snag one sentence out of a manual, grasping it, then run around with this one sentence as if you were monty python clacking two coconuts together pretending to be on a horse in search of the holy grail.

You must have the whole puzzle, including distance and angle to make a call. If you cant see the whole play, you are missing a puzzle piece. Since this was apparently tag play, and pretty obvious... luckily for the umpire was an easy no brainer call.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

First, I think this umpire is closer than that.

Second, never snag one sentence out of a manual, grasping it, then run around with this one sentence as if you were monty python clacking two coconuts together pretending to be on a horse in search of the holy grail.

You must have the whole puzzle, including distance and angle to make a call. If you cant see the whole play, you are missing a puzzle piece. Since this was apparently tag play, and pretty obvious... luckily for the umpire was an easy no brainer call.

Speaking of having the "whole puzzle," I agree that at this point the umpire is probably closer than 6-8 feet in this pic. However, you can also tell it is a sell safe call, which makes me think she has taken a large step forward, which would mean that at the time she actually made the call she was at the perfect depth.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Speaking of having the "whole puzzle," I agree that at this point the umpire is probably closer than 6-8 feet in this pic. However, you can also tell it is a sell safe call, which makes me think she has taken a large step forward, which would mean that at the time she actually made the call she was at the perfect depth.

Maybe... I dont remember this play. It doesnt look to me to warrant some huge sell safe, but you very well could be right.

[WestMichBlue]

I see this as a tag play. By time this pic was snapped, the glove has come up; the player's legs have buckled and she has come to a stop; both heads have turned towards the umpire - who is only a couple steps away selling the call.

What nobody knows is where the umpire was at the time of the tag. That is the critical time (and spacing) - not at the end of the play! Depending on the number of steps, could very easily been 7' - 10' away.

If it is a tag play, then the critical view of the play is very small - 12" - 20" high. Don't need to be very far back to have the entire view without moving the head.

WMB

[kcg NC2Ablu]

Originally Posted by WestMichBlue

I see this as a tag play. By time this pic was snapped, the glove has come up; the player's legs have buckled and she has come to a stop; both heads have turned towards the umpire - who is only a couple steps away selling the call.

What nobody knows is where the umpire was at the time of the tag. That is the critical time (and spacing) - not at the end of the play! Depending on the number of steps, could very easily been 7' - 10' away.

If it is a tag play, then the critical view of the play is very small - 12" - 20" high. Don't need to be very far back to have the entire view without moving the head.

WMB

I am right there with you on that !!!

[celebur]

Originally Posted by WestMichBlue

I see this as a tag play. By time this pic was snapped, the glove has come up; the player's legs have buckled and she has come to a stop; both heads have turned towards the umpire - who is only a couple steps away selling the call.

What nobody knows is where the umpire was at the time of the tag. That is the critical time (and spacing) - not at the end of the play! Depending on the number of steps, could very easily been 7' - 10' away.

If it is a tag play, then the critical view of the play is very small - 12" - 20" high. Don't need to be very far back to have the entire view without moving the head.

Well said. One additional point is that it looks like the fielder is trying to sell the out and is showing the umpire that she has the ball (something not typically done on a force play).

From what I see, all is good.

[kcg NC2Ablu]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

First, I think this umpire is closer than that.

Second, never snag one sentence out of a manual, grasping it, then run around with this one sentence as if you were monty python clacking two coconuts together pretending to be on a horse in search of the holy grail.

You must have the whole puzzle, including distance and angle to make a call. If you cant see the whole play, you are missing a puzzle piece. Since this was apparently tag play, and pretty obvious... luckily for the umpire was an easy no brainer call.

she had the angle you want to be on the action edge of the bag and 6 to 8 away to get the "4th demension" so that you can also see overtop of the play thats what the evaluators want and thats what the manual says and thats the best way I have been able to see the plays in my NCAA games this year as well as my other schedules. And just because you dont have the grail and I've already got one doesnt meant I should let you see it.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

she had the angle you want to be on the action edge of the bag and 6 to 8 away to get the "4th demension" so that you can also see overtop of the play thats what the evaluators want and thats what the manual says and thats the best way I have been able to see the plays in my NCAA games this year as well as my other schedules.

I've heard this before and am not totally sold on the "4th dimension" philosophy.