Disqualified ?

[Chess Ref]

Can a player be disqualified for malicious contact ?

Force play at home. Runner is out by 3 or 4 steps. She continues on. Then tries to slide but slides late and we have a collision. The collision wasn't bad but there was a collision. My partner then disqualifies the runner.

I was under the impression that "malicious contact" was an ejection.

Is the only difference between a DQ and ejection where the player can be for the rest of the game ? I.E., in the dugout versus in the parking lot ?

[wadeintothem]

ASA rules.. this is an ejection.

Its common practice in our area to allow players to stay on then bench for stuff like this. Not sure up where you are.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

ASA rules.. this is an ejection.

Its common practice in our area to allow players to stay on then bench for stuff like this. Not sure up where you are.

Speaking ASA.

The rules require an ejected team member to leave the grounds and have no contact with the team or umpire. 4.8.B

[softballistough]

I was under the impression that "malicious contact" was an ejection




I guess the hard part was, " Was this Malicious"

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by softballistough

I was under the impression that "malicious contact" was an ejection





I guess the hard part was, " Was this Malicious"

I was trying to figure out when is it a DQ versus an ejection....

The contact was more then it should have been but not malicious......

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

I was trying to figure out when is it a DQ versus an ejection....

The contact was more then it should have been but not malicious......

Its either malicious and an ejection or its not. You dont DQ or eject a player because it was "almost malicious".

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Speaking ASA.

The rules require an ejected team member to leave the grounds and have no contact with the team or umpire. 4.8.B

I know that, thanks.

[bigsig]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

ASA rules.. this is an ejection.

Its common practice in our area to allow players to stay on then bench for stuff like this. Not sure up where you are.

I agree, even though the rule says ejection, leave the area, I am reluctant to order a girl to leave the area unescorted. We usually do a bench restriction.

[Dutch Alex]

Originally Posted by bigsig

I agree, even though the rule says ejection, leave the area, I am reluctant to order a girl to leave the area unescorted. We usually do a bench restriction.

We don't. There's always a lockerroom or canteen where the ejected player can go. Last month however, I ejected a player for her big mouth. I was under the impression that she left the field. I didn't hear, nor see her. After the game I was informed that she actualy stayed in the dug out...

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Dutch Alex

We don't. There's always a lockerroom or canteen where the ejected player can go. Last month however, I ejected a player for her big mouth. I was under the impression that she left the field. I didn't hear, nor see her. After the game I was informed that she actualy stayed in the dug out...

Ejection over attitude is different than malicious contact. Attitude sitting on the bench is a cancer that can cause trouble. I've made them leave the park. Ejection over malicious contact.. typically they are at least pretending to be sorry and dont cause trouble and know what they did. I dont get teary eyed over malicious contact or injuries or potential injuries. I simply eject them because that is the rule. I dont remember anyone ever getting ejected for killing me when I was catcher... but hey, thats the rule, so I eject them and look the other way if when they walk into the dugout.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Dutch Alex

We don't. There's always a lockerroom or canteen where the ejected player can go. Last month however, I ejected a player for her big mouth. I was under the impression that she left the field. I didn't hear, nor see her. After the game I was informed that she actualy stayed in the dug out...

I wish I had that luxury when calling SP. The guys can't shut up before they're ejected, while they're being ejected, and most certainly NOT after being ejected.

Actually, this year has been a quiet year for me. Only one toss, and it had nothing to do with me or my calls.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

I wish I had that luxury when calling SP. The guys can't shut up before they're ejected, while they're being ejected, and most certainly NOT after being ejected.

Actually, this year has been a quiet year for me. Only one toss, and it had nothing to do with me or my calls.

Coaches and male fp/sp players.. gotta go. No hanging around. Girls, maybe I just dont notice it.. all FP players look alike and are named carlie or kaylie, so how the heck do I know who it is?

[MichaelVA2000]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Actually, this year has been a quiet year for me. Only one toss, and it had nothing to do with me or my calls.

Did someone take your partners parking space?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by bigsig

I agree, even though the rule says ejection, leave the area, I am reluctant to order a girl to leave the area unescorted. We usually do a bench restriction.

In a league or friendly, that is an administrative decision and the umpire can follow their direction.

Other than that, as an umpire, it isn't your call.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

In a league or friendly, that is an administrative decision and the umpire can follow their direction.

Other than that, as an umpire, it isn't your call.

We all know the written ASA rule and I'm not sure why you keep restating it.

NUS and my UIC will allow benching. I'm sure you know NUS allows benching in practice for girls, because they have said it in every clinic where I have heard it brought up. In fact, in my area they are even trying to put it in the bylaws (something I vehemently oppose and will be voting and have argued against).

There are times when the black and white written rule is not what is exactly taught at clinics or whats done in practice, and ejection/leave the park vs benching a minor is one of them.