What's the call?

[charliej47]

Irish,

I have had F3 and F5 lunge off the base on a bad throw and I have always called OBS. I might not have read the post closely, but I agree with you on it is a HTBT call. Base on what I read, i am giving input on opinions and mine is "trainwreck".

[MGKBLUE]

Agreed HTBT.

However, I look at this situation as a three step approach and it all depends on the location of the ball.

1. The fielder is drawn into the path of the runner and when contact is made the fielder does not have possession of the ball. Obstruction. RS 13 F unlike 13 G does not indicate that obstruction should not be called, only do not call a crash and the runner out as a result.

2. When the ball, runner and the defensive player arrive at the same time and place, and contact is made, the umpire should not invoke the crash rule, interference, or obstruction. This is merely incidental contact, or
what some persons commonly call, “a wreck.”

3. The fielder has possession of the ball and is waiting to apply the tag when the runner crashes into the fielder. Interference and the runner is out.

[GDW]

Originally Posted by MGKBLUE

Agreed HTBT.

However, I look at this situation as a three step approach and it all depends on the location of the ball.

1. The fielder is drawn into the path of the runner and when contact is made the fielder does not have possession of the ball. Obstruction. RS 13 F unlike 13 G does not indicate that obstruction should not be called, only do not call a crash and the runner out as a result.

2. When the ball, runner and the defensive player arrive at the same time and place, and contact is made, the umpire should not invoke the crash rule, interference, or obstruction. This is merely incidental contact, or
what some persons commonly call, “a wreck.”

3. The fielder has possession of the ball and is waiting to apply the tag when the runner crashes into the fielder. Interference and the runner is out.

In the case I submitted, the ball, defensive player and runner all arrived at the same time. Ball made it into F2's glove but was knocked loose in collision. Runner never made it to HP because she went downt injured. Run was awarded to offense.

I'm a newby, so I really want to get a good understanding of the right call here. Thanks.

[MGKBLUE]

Originally Posted by GDW

In the case I submitted, the ball, defensive player and runner all arrived at the same time. Ball made it into F2's glove but was knocked loose in collision. Runner never made it to HP because she went downt injured. Run was awarded to offense.

I'm a newby, so I really want to get a good understanding of the right call here. Thanks.

Sounds like a wreck to me from your description.

In that case, as long as the fielder tags the runner, I have an out.

I suspect that the umpire must have indicated and called obsruction on this play, therefore awarding the runner home.

To me that would be the only way that the umpire could rule the runner safe at home.

Hope this helps.

[GDW]

After everyone's response (thanks very much, by the way) and a little research in the ASA rule book, I think the PU invoked R4.10 since he too judged it as a "wreck" and not OBS or INT:

During a live ball situation, when a player becomes injured, and in the umpire’s judgment requires immediate attention, the umpire shall call “DEAD BALL”. EFFECT: Award any bases that would have been reached.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by GDW

In the case I submitted, the ball, defensive player and runner all arrived at the same time. Ball made it into F2's glove but was knocked loose in collision. Runner never made it to HP because she went downt injured. Run was awarded to offense.

I'm a newby, so I really want to get a good understanding of the right call here. Thanks.

Okay, think of it this way.

If the player was just receiving the ball at the time of the collision, the defender did NOT have possession of the ball as required by 8.5.B.4. That is, by rule, obstruction.

The defense's poor play caused the runner to be injured and not reach the plate. Barring 4.10, why would any consideration be given to anything which would be a possible reward to the defense for poor play?