NSA procedure - is this correct?

[Andy]

Check out this thread from Eteamz:

http://www.eteamz.com/fastpitch/boar...cfm?id=2056751

I believe we have some members of this board that call some NSA - can you confirm this information?

[Dakota]

So, if some kid gets hurt, the batter is penalized by having her bat seized to be sent in for destructive testing. Nice. I can imagine the hue and cry if ASA tried something that silly.

[Skahtboi]

This ranks up there as one of the more ridiculous safety overkills I believe I have ever seen.

[FullCount]

What would happen if the player and her parents refused to surrender the bat? I suspect I would have refused. I know the "letter" in the link says check the NSA rules if that occurs, but I don't have their rule book nor the energy to check what it says. I do suspect that many would likely refuse and I'm not sure what they can do about it legally. Presumably eject the player, but who wants to continue play under those circumstances. Also, is there no room for umpire judgement that the injury was just an accident, unrelated to equipment?

[Dholloway1962]

http://www.playnsa.com/pdfs/NSA_Rule_Book_2006.pdf

Illegal Bat rule is on page 13...to long to cut and paste into here.

[MichaelVA2000]

From the heybucket forum:

Originally Posted by umpinva

If it was an NSA tournament it is a requirement. Below is a memo that was sent to NSA umpires back in 2006:

Subject: Injury reports

Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:40:02 -0400

Hey folks,

This is a friendly reminder to our umpires about injuries in NSA sanctioned >play. We have gotten a few this year and for the most part we have done a >pretty good job of doing what we are supposed to do concerning injuries. >But, some of us have either forgot the protocol or haven't been to a clinic >or convention when this was discussed. So in brief I'll go over the >procedure of what we are to do when we have an injury on the field >concerning the equipment.

1st - someone secure the bat and the ball and never lose sight of it, lock >them both in a room, car or somewhere secure.

2nd - Issue the owner of the bat and ball a receipt for the bat and ball

I know that this may sound a little non-feeling towards the injured player >but we have directors, fellow teammates, park directors, uic's or our >partner on the field to tend to the injured player while waiting on medical >personnel to arrive.

3rd - Ship the bat to me here at the NSA National Office @ 101 NSA Way, >Nicholasville, Ky 40356.

What will happen to the bat and ball then is this. I will compression >check the bat. If the bat compression is lower than what would be normal >break in level for that model we will either send the bat to NY university >for bpf testing or sent to the mfg if the bat looks to be tampered with.

We have one bat at a mfg now from an injury that looked altered to me when >it arrived and I immediately sent it off to the mfg to see what their >findings were.

If the player refuses to give the bat or ball up, then we refer to the >altered bat and ball rule in the Official NSA Rule Book in Rule 3; >Equipment.

Lastly, we HAVE TO HAVE a injury report on file. Even if the injury looks >minor, it could escalate to something more serious and we have to have the >report on file. This is to protect you as an umpire if the case goes to >court, and it gives NSA, and our insurance company firm ground to stand on; >that we have done everything in our power to protect our players well >being. If we cover all the bases, we are all protected; but it starts with >you the umpire, the uic, the director, the zone VP.

Make sure that this is sent to all of your uic's, umpires, directors, state >directors, parks, leagues, etc.


Eddie Ray Cantrell
NSA/BPA Executive VP & National Director of Umpires
playnsa.com

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by FullCount

What would happen if the player and her parents refused to surrender the bat? I suspect I would have refused. I know the "letter" in the link says check the NSA rules if that occurs, but I don't have their rule book nor the energy to check what it says. I do suspect that many would likely refuse and I'm not sure what they can do about it legally. Presumably eject the player, but who wants to continue play under those circumstances. Also, is there no room for umpire judgement that the injury was just an accident, unrelated to equipment?

As I read that book, refusal to allow the bat to be inspected initiates an automatic 5 year suspension from NSA.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Nice. I can imagine the hue and cry if ASA tried something that silly.

ASA does, but only if possibly altered. A player being injured is not cause to confiscate the bat.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

As I read that book, refusal to allow the bat to be inspected initiates an automatic 5 year suspension from NSA.

That might be a good thing!

[bkbjones]

I think that is a GREAT rule!

Oh...did I mention I only do ASA, NCAA and NFHS for a REASON?! Keep it up, NSA. We need more crazy crap like this!

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by bkbjones

I think that is a GREAT rule!

Oh...did I mention I only do ASA, NCAA and NFHS for a REASON?! Keep it up, NSA. We need more crazy crap like this!

Yeah, no kidding.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by bkbjones

I think that is a GREAT rule!

Oh...did I mention I only do ASA, NCAA and NFHS for a REASON?! Keep it up, NSA. We need more crazy crap like this!

John - you want to see some crazy crap, go check out this rule set:

ISA softball

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Andy

John - you want to see some crazy crap, go check out this rule set:

ISA softball

Anything in particular we should be looking for?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Anything in particular we should be looking for?

The cartoon of the player is wearing prison garb?

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Dakota

The cartoon of the player is wearing prison garb?

Nah! They are just trying to appeal to their primary audience.

Actually, though, as I recall, that has something to do with a Base Bandit or something like that. Don't have too much familiarity with ISA, but I recall some association that had Base Bandit tourneys a while back.