Ur Call

[whiskers_ump]

This was sent in by a fan.


for all you "wanna-be" umps out there....YOU MAKE THE CALL!

Coach makes official substitution with plate umpire. However-girl she subs for is already on base. The "substitute" goes to box...takes called ball 1. Opposing team goes to umpire...asks what the substitution was...umpire pulls out his sheet...says #? for #?....coach tells umpire...that cant be...because the girl being subbed for is "on base". Her sub just took called ball 1.

? - is runner out...or is batter out? or is anybody out? batting out of order? something/anything wrong here?

u make the call!

[bkbjones]

Originally Posted by whiskers_ump

This was sent in my a fan.


for all you "wanna-be" umps out there....YOU MAKE THE CALL!

Coach makes official substitution with plate umpire. However-girl she subs for is already on base. The "substitute" goes to box...takes called ball 1. Opposing team goes to umpire...asks what the substitution was...umpire pulls out his sheet...says #? for #?....coach tells umpire...that cant be...because the girl being subbed for is "on base". Her sub just took called ball 1.

? - is runner out...or is batter out? or is anybody out? batting out of order? something/anything wrong here?

u make the call!

Just to gum things up, NFHS, ASA or Brand X?

[whiskers_ump]

Daughter, so this is FED....Not my Daughter.

[whiskers_ump]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

How about granddaughter, or great niece?

My granddaughter does play, but was not involved in this game. I have only
done one of her games and that was in tournament play and due to the
start time of our game, could not be replaced. Informed both coaches that
my GD played on one of the teams. Neither had a problem. I did have to
call and inforce obstruction in her favor when the second base person impeded her progress to 3rd and knowing her speed, I knew she would have easily obtained 3B.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by whiskers_ump

This was sent in by a fan.


for all you "wanna-be" umps out there....YOU MAKE THE CALL!

Coach makes official substitution with plate umpire. However-girl she subs for is already on base. The "substitute" goes to box...takes called ball 1. Opposing team goes to umpire...asks what the substitution was...umpire pulls out his sheet...says #? for #?....coach tells umpire...that cant be...because the girl being subbed for is "on base". Her sub just took called ball 1.

? - is runner out...or is batter out? or is anybody out? batting out of order? something/anything wrong here?

u make the call!

Let's say "girl she subs for" was the starter in #6 slot and was the most recent batter.
Then, "substitute goes to box", essentially batting in the #7 slot. The sub belongs in the #6 slot, so she is BOO. She has taken a pitch, which allows the appeal, but she is just replaced by the proper batter who assumes the 1-0 count.
Also, the sub replace the starter on the bases.

Now, is there also a problem with the starter staying on base during that one pitch, essentially being an unreported sub for the real sub?

[whiskers_ump]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Let's say "girl she subs for" was the starter in #6 slot and was the most recent batter.
Then, "substitute goes to box", essentially batting in the #7 slot. The sub belongs in the #6 slot, so she is BOO. She has taken a pitch, which allows the appeal, but she is just replaced by the proper batter who assumes the 1-0 count.
Also, the sub replace the starter on the bases.

Now, is there also a problem with the starter staying on base during that one pitch, essentially being an unreported sub for the real sub?

Only if a previous warning had been received by the offending team.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by whiskers_ump

Only if a previous warning had been received by the offending team.

OK, but doesn't "the starter staying on base during that one pitch, essentially being an unreported sub for the real sub" initiate the warning?

[shipwreck]

How about preventative umpiring and not letting the coach make that change? I know, I know, that isn't our job. It sure may save some heartache though. Dave

[whiskers_ump]

Originally Posted by shipwreck

How about preventative umpiring and not letting the coach make that change? I know, I know, that isn't our job. It sure may save some heartache though. Dave

I won't say it can"t, but don't think it would happen in my game. I keep
pretty good records, and do try and prevent these situtations. Using dots
and dashes. I always know who batted last in an inning and who is due
up.

[Shmuelg]

Why would we say that the batter is BOO?

Can we not say that the *actual* substitution was *not* for the runner on base, but the player after that runner. After all, that's what physically happened, correct?

If so, then this is merely an unreported substitute, and if discovered and appealed while the unreported sub is at bat, then no one is out, but the batter is declared ineligible, and is replaced by a legal player. (Rule 4, Sec.8g, ISF).

The bottom line here is what is the substitution? What the manager SAYS, or what the MANAGER does?