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Old Mon Feb 18, 2008, 09:51am
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I'm going to post the question, Are the hands part of the bat?

Any other questions you guys would like answered by Coach Suthe?
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Old Mon Feb 18, 2008, 10:09am
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First a disclaimer...I don't know for sure this is the "expert" in question.

I am pretty sure, based on the fact the Coach Sutherland says he is a member of the Oklahoma Secondary Schools Activities Association in his profile on that site as well as the team picture on his profile, he is the head softball coach of a high school in the northeast part of Oklahoma, near Tulsa. Please don't hold that against me!!!! I won't post his name or his school. You can look it up yourself

I went to the OklahomaSSAA website and I can't find anything on it that would tell me at what school Coach Sutherland coaches. So please tell everybody at what school he coaches and if the school has a website please post it. Thanks.

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Old Mon Feb 18, 2008, 10:15am
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You know this is almost funny if it wasn't so sad. As the subject line reads, anyone can put things out there on the net....so don't believe it all. But what bothers me is someone might actually think this, person (I cleaned that up) knows what they are talking about and they might argue that in one of my games! It is just sad that someone obviously had a real question and got that kind of an answer. No wonder so many coaches, players, fans have no idea what the correct ruling is when you have "experts" telling them this kind of stuff.

I know, I know I am missing the humor here....but it is sad when someone it trying to learn and gets mislead...
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Old Mon Feb 18, 2008, 10:46am
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I believe I've seen Mr. Ambrose on this board.

Hopefully, he will contact the AllExperts site monitor and insist upon a correction OR distance himself from those who are passing themselves off as "experts".
I have talked with Dr Mark before; he has a practice not far from me. He has been involved with MASA in the past; he is very rules knowledgable. I'll see if I still have his email address.

The other "xpert", Sutherland, is not!

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Old Mon Feb 18, 2008, 11:22am
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Originally Posted by greymule
I'm going to post the question, Are the hands part of the bat?

Any other questions you guys would like answered by Coach Suthe?
This might be interesting.
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Old Mon Feb 18, 2008, 11:29am
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I am trying a different tact. I just submitted this question to Coach S.:

Please explain to me why, in the last question you had about the IFR, you stated the ball would be called dead, rather than left in play as the rule book states. Also, why did you tell the questioner that the runners could not advance, when the rule book clearly states that they may advance with "liability to be put out?"
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Old Mon Feb 18, 2008, 02:18pm
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The problem is that many coaches and players (hopefully not umps) think Coach S gave the correct answer.
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Old Mon Feb 18, 2008, 03:56pm
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The problem is that many coaches and players (hopefully not umps) think Coach S gave the correct answer.
It's easier to call the play with the runners standing pat.
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Old Mon Feb 18, 2008, 04:49pm
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It's easier to call the play with the runners standing pat.
Sure... Until a coach that actually knows the rules has his runners go, and the defensive coach who read the brilliant musings of Coach S comes screaming at us for "not enforcing the rules."
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Old Mon Feb 18, 2008, 05:49pm
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Coach Sutherland responds to my IFR question.

Here is the URL which contains my question to Coach Sutherland and his response. I am very suprised that he responded so quickly because I just posted my question about 01:35pmEST, and he answered me in less that one hour.

http://www.allexperts.com/user.cgi?m...62&qID=4723737


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Old Mon Feb 18, 2008, 06:09pm
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Here is the URL which contains my question to Coach Sutherland and his response. I am very suprised that he responded so quickly because I just posted my question about 01:35pmEST, and he answered me in less that one hour.

http://www.allexperts.com/user.cgi?m...62&qID=4723737

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P.S. Score one for the good guys.
Mark,
Good work ! !

Please ask Coach S to notify everyone who read that wrong answer in the meantime, then those who will read the first answer and no further.
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Old Mon Feb 18, 2008, 07:21pm
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Here is the URL which contains my question to Coach Sutherland and his response. I am very suprised that he responded so quickly because I just posted my question about 01:35pmEST, and he answered me in less that one hour.

http://www.allexperts.com/user.cgi?m...62&qID=4723737


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P.S. Score one for the good guys.
Attaboy, MTD !
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Old Mon Feb 18, 2008, 08:00pm
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
I went to the OklahomaSSAA website and I can't find anything on it that would tell me at what school Coach Sutherland coaches. So please tell everybody at what school he coaches and if the school has a website please post it. Thanks.

MTD, Sr.
Please don't anyone bombard him with e-mails...he admitted his mistake and corrected it. But if you want to know, I almost certain he is the coach at Pawhuska High School in Pawhuska, OK. Pretty decent guy from what I can remember from calling some of their games.

http://www.pawhuskahs.org/apps/pages...pe=u&rn=293551
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Old Mon Feb 18, 2008, 08:57pm
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Well...my question that was asked before Mark's hasn't been answered, though I did get this from allexperts:

Hello! This is a receipt for a question you recently asked at allexperts.com of Scott Sutherland. You should receive your reply within 3 days unless you see another number in parentheses by the person's name in the previous sentence. Thanks for using our service! Your question was "Please explain to me why, in the last question you had about the IFR, you stated the ball would be called dead, rather than left in play as the rule book states. Also, why did you tell the questioner that the runners could not advance, when the rule book clearly states that they may advance with "liability to be put out?"" and was asked on 02/18/2008
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Old Wed Feb 20, 2008, 03:28pm
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Subject Foul Tip
Question With a runner on 1B, B2 foul tips the ball and R1 advances
to 2B, but is sent back by BU. Is this correct?

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Answer Allen,
If I understand this correctly. Runner on 1st, batter fouls one off, runner goes to second and is brought back by the ump.If this is the case, then that would be correct.
Coach Suthe.

Guess he did not understand question>
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