ASA SP with stealing

[Fozzie]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

Just what is that "non-verball dead ball signal" on page225?

Page 222 in defining dead ball signals leaves it up to the umpire to "come up with a good dead ball signal".

I gave you my idea.

What is yours?

And the second part of the question is why should stealing be prohibited just becasue the ball fell short off, or touched, the plate?

Page 222 does not "define" dead ball signals. It does however does give a lot of information on dead ball situations. And when the book says "come up with a good dead ball signal" I think they mean come out of your set position and excute a nice crisp dead ball signal. And NOT permission to make up your own signal.

Page 264 gives you what that signal should look like. With pictures and everything.

As for the second part of you post. Prehaps the simple answer is the crazy bounces the ball can take before it reaches the plate or when it hits the plate or its edge. But that would make sense so I am most likely wrong.

Jeff Merriman

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by Fozzie

Page 222 does not "define" dead ball signals. It does however does give a lot of information on dead ball situations. And when the book says "come up with a good dead ball signal" I think they mean come out of your set position and excute a nice crisp dead ball signal. And NOT permission to make up your own signal.

Page 264 gives you what that signal should look like. With pictures and everything.

As for the second part of you post. Prehaps the simple answer is the crazy bounces the ball can take before it reaches the plate or when it hits the plate or its edge. But that would make sense so I am most likely wrong.

Jeff Merriman

Okay. We need those kind of calls to simply say the ball did not reach home plate? Nothing simpler? Don't you think that is a little bit of overkil for signalling to a base runner that the ball is dead?

And if we are going to have stealing, why should the offense get a break for not being able to get a ball over the plate?

Just asking.

[Fozzie]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

Okay. We need those kind of calls to simply say the ball did not reach home plate? Nothing simpler? Don't you think that is a little bit of overkil for signalling to a base runner that the ball is dead?

And if we are going to have stealing, why should the offense get a break for not being able to get a ball over the plate?

Just asking.

Simpler? I'm raising my hands in the air, seems fairly easy even for a slowpitch guy. Overkill?...No I don't think so. Not with some of these players take off on anything. And last but not least its the way we signal dead ball at all other times in the game.

Should the DEFENSE get a break for not putting the ball over the plate? Heck I guess having a ball called on the batter is a break.

Jeff Merriman

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by Fozzie

Simpler? I'm raising my hands in the air, seems fairly easy even for a slowpitch guy. Overkill?...No I don't think so. Not with some of these players take off on anything. And last but not least its the way we signal dead ball at all other times in the game.

Should the DEFENSE get a break for not putting the ball over the plate? Heck I guess having a ball called on the batter is a break.

Jeff Merriman

The OP asked for opinions on improvements on mechanics. I think I stated mine as to the need for a more subtle non verbal call to a runner on a dead ball negating an option to steal.

While I misidentified the DEFENSE regarding a ball short of the plate, my question still stands: Why is a called ball short of the plate different than a called ball over the plate as regards stealing?

[Fozzie]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

The OP asked for opinions on improvements on mechanics. I think I stated mine as to the need for a more subtle non verbal call to a runner on a dead ball negating an option to steal.

While I misidentified the DEFENSE regarding a ball short of the plate, my question still stands: Why is a called ball short of the plate different than a called ball over the plate as regards stealing?

Okay. In short.

No I don't think there is any need for any rule or mechanics change.

Jeff Merriman

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Fozzie

Okay. In short.

No I don't think there is any need for any rule or mechanics change.

Jeff Merriman

Jeff,

you are correct. The present mechinac is so simple and easy to perform and comprehend, at least for some people, that there is no need for change.

And anyone knows that a ball which hits in front of or on the plate is not safely available to the catcher to continue play, so it is ruled dead.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

The present mechinac is so simple and easy to perform and comprehend, at least for some people,

For all but one, Mike.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Jeff,

you are correct. The present mechinac is so simple and easy to perform and comprehend, at least for some people, that there is no need for change.

And anyone knows that a ball which hits in front of or on the plate is not safely available to the catcher to continue play, so it is ruled dead.

Simple would certainly define ASA signals...Simple and juvenile.

And a ball hitting the plate is a safety problem for stealing?

I swear the answers here by the so-called experts get funnier by the day.