Strange ending

[Indiana_Umpire]

EJL -- Did you happen to see an umpiring crew with a problem walking around after this occured? I can only image that the UIC went off on these guys....(and rightfully so). Shouldn't have happened, especially at a national.

[IRISHMAFIA]

I've always stated that in this type of situation, the umpires should intentionally move into a position to make a call and make it obvious to all that you are looking for something to happen. Many times you see umpires barely paying attention.

And, no, it is not coaching or tipping off one team or the other. I'm not suggesting the umpire motion to the players or coaches, just move to the prescribed position as if a call needed to be made since it is imperative that you have a clear look at the player touching the base.

Originally Posted by Indiana_Umpire

EJL -- Did you happen to see an umpiring crew with a problem walking around after this occured? I can only image that the UIC went off on these guys....(and rightfully so). Shouldn't have happened, especially at a national.

No, I didn't pay much attention after the game ended. I will say this, however, I saw several umpires and one umpire in particular who were amazing. They were exactly what my idea of an umpire should be. There were also a few down there, especially during the pool play, who appeared to be just the opposite of what I believe an umpire should be.

Getting back to my OP. What I'm getting is that once the BR went into DBT without having touched 1st base then she was out. Because she was the third out then the forced runner from 3rd base would not count. Does that sum it up correctly?

Ed

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by EJL

Getting back to my OP. What I'm getting is that once the BR went into DBT without having touched 1st base then she was out. Because she was the third out then the forced runner from 3rd base would not count. Does that sum it up correctly?

Ed

Yes.

But assuming she did not enter DBT, it is an appeal. And, if any infielder remains in fair territory, and the umpires have not left the field, the appeal should be honored.

I can't imagine a declaration that the appeal was not honored because defense had left the field when they are standing there staring them in the face.

My guess is this crew was NOT paying attention and neither of them knew for sure what happened, so they made something up to avoid making a call.

Pretty sad in any game, but especially in a national tournament.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Yes.

But assuming she did not enter DBT, it is an appeal.

Just curious why you keep calling this (and treating this like) an appeal. It's not. And it shouldn't be treated as one. Had BR overrun the base and went to the dugout, then it's an appeal. This one is in NO WAY an appeal. Defense's position on the field is irrelevant.

[Dakota]

I changed the scenario to make it an appeal, admittedly leaving out a lot of detail. The only point was the crew was making stuff up either way.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Dakota

I changed the scenario to make it an appeal, admittedly leaving out a lot of detail. The only point was the crew was making stuff up either way.

Gotcha. Fair enough.