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Old Fri Jun 22, 2007, 02:09pm
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ASA or ISF I don't really care for this one
Bottom 6; 2-1; R2; 2 Out; Home Team at Bat; NO Substitutes left on Line Up Card;
Batter hits Home Run: R2 comes Home; BR rounds 2nd, trips & breaks his leg:
Not sure what you call the level of play 'Over the Pond' but this is what we call Comp A (Top level) Not that it should matter!
So the situation is what do you do? Options are several, and I shall in a few days say what was given (and yes it was odd but I believe True)
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Old Fri Jun 22, 2007, 02:16pm
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ASA or ISF I don't really care for this one
Bottom 6; 2-1; R2; 2 Out; Home Team at Bat; NO Substitutes left on Line Up Card;
Batter hits Home Run: R2 comes Home; BR rounds 2nd, trips & breaks his leg:
Not sure what you call the level of play 'Over the Pond' but this is what we call Comp A (Top level) Not that it should matter!
So the situation is what do you do? Options are several, and I shall in a few days say what was given (and yes it was odd but I believe True)
Speaking ASA.

Dead ball, call for medical attention, place the sub on 2B or, if the umpire judges the injured runner would have advanced farther safely, award the sub that base. Sub must touch any bases not touched by the injured runner.
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Old Fri Jun 22, 2007, 02:18pm
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Speaking ASA.

Dead ball, call for medical attention, place the sub on 2B or, if the umpire judges the injured runner would have advanced farther safely, award the sub that base. Sub must touch any bases not touched by the injured runner.
Sorry but the team had NO Subs left as stated
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Old Fri Jun 22, 2007, 03:31pm
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Lets hope there was some blood otherwise forfeit game .
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Old Fri Jun 22, 2007, 04:40pm
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Dead ball, call for medical attention, place the sub on 2B or, if the umpire judges the injured runner would have advanced farther safely, award the sub that base. Sub must touch any bases not touched by the injured runner.
Sorry but the team had NO Subs left as stated
And batter would definitely have advanced further. . .all the way to home!


Keep R2 on the field, attend to the injured runner, then have R2 retrace his steps and drag the injured runner to 3B then home. Game over.
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Old Fri Jun 22, 2007, 05:14pm
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Lets hope there was some blood otherwise forfeit game .
Yikes! Blood? Man, you're sick!

Forfeit the game? On what grounds? Because a player broke his leg?
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Old Fri Jun 22, 2007, 05:16pm
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If the offensive team has players on the bench that are not eligible to enter the game under normal circumstances: already sub'd out and cannot re-enter, or sub'd out, re-entered, and sub'd out a second time (depends on rule set), have the defensive coach chose which player will re-enter for the injured player, and award bases umpire believes were earned.

If the game continues, the offensive team plays "short-handed", per rule set.
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Old Fri Jun 22, 2007, 05:19pm
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Sorry but the team had NO Subs left as stated
Doh! Let's try again.

Dead ball, call for medical attention. REQUEST a sub**. If told none is available, rule the player out, R2's run counts.

Team is now playing shorthanded.

** Please note: Not having a substitute listed on a line-up card does not necessarily mean there are no substitutes available. If a player is a legally rostered player, s/he is not excluded from playing simply because there name was not included on the line up card.
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Old Fri Jun 22, 2007, 09:28pm
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Doh! Let's try again.

Dead ball, call for medical attention. REQUEST a sub**. If told none is available, rule the player out, R2's run counts.

Team is now playing shorthanded.

** Please note: Not having a substitute listed on a line-up card does not necessarily mean there are no substitutes available. If a player is a legally rostered player, s/he is not excluded from playing simply because there name was not included on the line up card.
Never thought of this scenario.. but sounds good to me. I'm curious as to what the "many options" are that the OP mentioned because I dont see too many given the scenario restrictions considering the pretty clear sub rules.
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Old Fri Jun 22, 2007, 11:04pm
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Why would the player be out .
NO SUBS LEFT presume none available ie cant be entered .
Cant play shorthanded ISF rule set
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Old Sat Jun 23, 2007, 06:15am
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Why would the player be out .
NO SUBS LEFT presume none available ie cant be entered .
Cant play shorthanded ISF rule set
Yes, the team can play shorthanded, but that doesn't score the run.

Because if there is no sub, the running assignment cannot be completed. By rule, to score a run, a player must touch all the bases even in the case of an injured player.

No sympathy here. This is a case of the team not having enough players or the coach not managing the line-up properly.
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Old Sat Jun 23, 2007, 06:30am
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Yes, the team can play shorthanded, but that doesn't score the run.

Because if there is no sub, the running assignment cannot be completed. By rule, to score a run, a player must touch all the bases even in the case of an injured player.

No sympathy here. This is a case of the team not having enough players or the coach not managing the line-up properly.
.. and a stupid runner..
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Old Sat Jun 23, 2007, 04:35pm
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ISF rule set .
runner scores
Dead ball immediatly you think injury is bad enough .
Give injured player the base (not bases ) they would have got if they had not been injured .
Substitution then must run all awarded bases .
If there are no subs , then a forfeit (no shorthanded play in ISF)
Personally I would be looking for blood , may even tell coach to scratch the player so we can use a replacement player who can be a previous sub .
NOTE This is all ISF
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Old Mon Jun 25, 2007, 05:02pm
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Dead ball immediatly you think injury is bad enough .
Wasn't the ball already dead as soon as it left the playing field?
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Old Mon Jun 25, 2007, 05:13pm
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Wasn't the ball already dead as soon as it left the playing field?
Assuming it left the field of play. OP doesn't really say, though I guess you could presume it did.
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