How would you call these two plays?

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

There is no such caveat in the rule.



You might want to note at this point that I have yet to offer an opinion on out or foul. The rules clearly state that a batter which is hit by a batted ball still in the batter's box is called a strike, not an out. The position of the ball (over fair or foul territory) is not relevant.

That rule is a direct contradiction to your contention that "the batter's box offers no batter protection from being called out for touching a ball in fair territory".

You can spin my comments any way you want.

But the OP pertains to a batted ball hitting the ground. There is no "batter's box" protection in either of the examples in the OP if any part of the batter touches the ball while the ball is in fair territory.

CP 7.4-9 with R 7.4.H have no bearing on the situations in the OP.
RE: your comment:
You might want to note at this point that I have yet to offer an opinion on out or foul.

The OP asked for an answer on that question.

Are you going to give one?