Is there a rule regarding the defensive coach...

[CajunNewBlue]

Defensive coach comes out of the dugout right after a sliding play at third?...maybe its just me, but I'm calling time and walking down the line to see what this idiot...sorry "coach" is doing causing verbal "interference..imho" one foot from the foul line and probably only 3 feet from a offensive player during a "still" live ball. at least a warning is issued. then she can have her "defensive" conference.
dunno, i might be wrong according to the "letter" of the rule... but having defensive coaches running around in foul territory anytime they want without "asking" for time to be called... just doesnt seem right. and im new, but i have had coach after coach ask if they could sit on a bucket here... or lean on the fence there...and i always say no. dugout please.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue

Defensive coach comes out of the dugout right after a sliding play at third?...maybe its just me, but I'm calling time and walking down the line to see what this idiot...sorry "coach" is doing causing verbal "interference..imho" one foot from the foul line and probably only 3 feet from a offensive player during a "still" live ball. at least a warning is issued. then she can have her "defensive" conference.
dunno, i might be wrong according to the "letter" of the rule... but having defensive coaches running around in foul territory anytime they want without "asking" for time to be called... just doesnt seem right. and im new, but i have had coach after coach ask if they could sit on a bucket here... or lean on the fence there...and i always say no. dugout please.

So, you are going to kill a play and deprive the offense of advancing because the defense's coach is on the field?

As you said, you are new. Unless the coach actually OBSTRUCTED a runner, this is nothing, but a stern discussion when all play is over. Then after the coach reminds you of your place, you can dump her. Otherwise, there is nothing to call.

The umpires were correct, lacking that the coach affected the play in any manner.

[CajunNewBlue]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

So, you are going to kill a play and deprive the offense of advancing because the defense's coach is on the field?

As you said, you are new. Unless the coach actually OBSTRUCTED a runner, this is nothing, but a stern discussion when all play is over. Then after the coach reminds you of your place, you can dump her. Otherwise, there is nothing to call.

The umpires were correct, lacking that the coach affected the play in any manner.

And having a defensive coach come out almost into the offensive coach's box and being verbal in some manner.... didnt affect the play in any manner? like i said i'm new to umpiring.... but a coach being where they are NOT suppose to be affected the play in some manner.. otherwise why are there rules dictating where a coach should be at all times?
Dunno, maybe i just like to argue

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue

And having a defensive coach come out almost into the offensive coach's box and being verbal in some manner.... didnt affect the play in any manner? like i said i'm new to umpiring.... but a coach being where they are NOT suppose to be affected the play in some manner.. otherwise why are there rules dictating where a coach should be at all times?
Dunno, maybe i just like to argue

What's your point? Yes - the coach shouldn't be there. But your solution harms the OTHER team. Don't stop the play. Penalize the coach if they somehow actually affect the play. It's doubtful that they actually affected the play --- what could they yell from right there that they couldn't yell from the dugout ... but if you DO think they affected the play, penalize it (obstruction, I suppose ... although it's probably a bit of a stretch).

[wadeintothem]

Ha!

Thats a great article.

Boy, that would be a good rule for defense.. any time something is happening.. Def coach just comes sniveling quickly out of the dugout.. blam; ball is dead play over runners stop running.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Boy, that would be a good rule for defense.. any time something is happening.. Def coach just comes sniveling quickly out of the dugout.. blam; ball is dead play over runners stop running.

Well, you see the point that Cajun obviously is missing.

[CajunNewBlue]

I guess I am missing the point. (actually not anymore.. points taken and yes I am thinking in terms of recreation ball...home of the sneakiest.. trickiest coaches ever known to inhabit god's green earth) but, as i re-re-re-read the article its the timing that has me a little confused... runner slides into third... defensive coach has enough time to come out to third to say whatever she thought she was entitled to say.. first base coach says to hisself ok "time" is called (not...because why bother stealing then lying that you thought time was called later?) so lets steal to second?... runner has enough time to steal to second... then the throw". at which time im sure the third base coach has moved the defensive coach out of the way and is telling his runner to advance"
Luckily being new I havent embarrassed myself by doing my first reaction....having only officiated a few high school games (and a sh*tload of catholic league games and rec.games).. but im sure i will have time to mess up as the year goes on. lol
So, i will keep reading the posts and learning. thanks y'all

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue

And having a defensive coach come out almost into the offensive coach's box and being verbal in some manner.... didnt affect the play in any manner? like i said i'm new to umpiring.... but a coach being where they are NOT suppose to be affected the play in some manner.. otherwise why are there rules dictating where a coach should be at all times?
Dunno, maybe i just like to argue

Okay, tell me what the defensive coach did to OBSTRUCT a runner.

There are a lot of times an umpire isn't where they belong, but we don't stop the game.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

There are a lot of times an umpire isn't where they belong, but we don't stop the game.

Unless, of course, he needs to return to where he does belong.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Unless, of course, he needs to return to where he does belong.

Which, depending on what they say or do, is up to, and including, the parking lot.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue

Defensive coach comes out of the dugout right after a sliding play at third?...maybe its just me, but I'm calling time and walking down the line to see what this idiot...sorry "coach" is doing causing verbal "interference..imho" one foot from the foul line and probably only 3 feet from a offensive player during a "still" live ball. at least a warning is issued. then she can have her "defensive" conference.
dunno, i might be wrong according to the "letter" of the rule... but having defensive coaches running around in foul territory anytime they want without "asking" for time to be called... just doesnt seem right. and im new, but i have had coach after coach ask if they could sit on a bucket here... or lean on the fence there...and i always say no. dugout please.

Of course it's not right ... but surely you don't want to call TIME and harm the offense! If she interferes, call it and penalize it. And yes, warn and/or eject as necessary. But don't stop play.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue

Defensive coach comes out of the dugout right after a sliding play at third?...maybe its just me, but I'm calling time and walking down the line to see what this idiot...sorry "coach" is doing causing verbal "interference..imho" one foot from the foul line and probably only 3 feet from a offensive player during a "still" live ball. at least a warning is issued. then she can have her "defensive" conference.
dunno, i might be wrong according to the "letter" of the rule... but having defensive coaches running around in foul territory anytime they want without "asking" for time to be called... just doesnt seem right. and im new, but i have had coach after coach ask if they could sit on a bucket here... or lean on the fence there...and i always say no. dugout please.

What????

OK.. offense sees a moment of confusion, tries to take advantage of it and sends their runner home.. bottom of 7 2 outs tie run @ 3 and sends that runner!! (Hey coach, might not wanna sent that runner, SS has the dang ball!!, This aint rec league). Furthermore, hes obviously taught them to kill the catcher. This is virtually a straight steal of HP with the goal of destroying the catcher.

I wish, I as an umpire, could stand there telling the 3B coach how truly stupid they are, but I'd be too busy walking down the left field line going home to post about it on official forum.

[gsf23]

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I'm kinda wondering about that more than the coach being out.

And as far as the defensive coach coming out during a live ball, first I would let all playing action finish, make any awards if the coach obstructed the offense in any way, then tell the coach that if he/she ever walks out onto my field again without asking for and receiving time, they will be watching the rest of the game from the parking lot.