F6 was doing the hold tag until runner gets up thing

[dtwsd]

This is broken off from the thread: "When to call time"

Originally Posted by DaveASA/FED

3rd base was not thinking about throwing on R2 and didn't, was doing the hold tag until runner gets up thing.....

For the first time ever I had this same problem last weekend in a 12U tournament game where every time a runner would steal 2B, F6 would keep her glove on the runner until I would grant "time" (when requested by the runner). I got annoyed by this pretty quickly and got to the point where I would call "time" as soon as all play ended (even if runner did not request it). How do you guys handle this? Do you keep calling time and just let F6 continue to do the same thing or do you say something to the DC or player about it and put a stop to it?

[3afan]

i would not say anything to the DC - there is no violation

[BuggBob]

I think it is good ball. I got me an easy out on a simular play earlier this year. R1 steals 2nd, F6 holds the ball on her, R1 stands up. "Out!"

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by BuggBob

I think it is good ball. I got me an easy out on a simular play earlier this year. R1 steals 2nd, F6 holds the ball on her, R1 stands up. "Out!"

Yet, many would consider this bush league type of play.

[Bluefoot]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Yet, many would consider this bush league type of play.

Was it bush league when Derek Jeter did it against the Red Sox a few year's back and got an out at 2B? I don't think so.

If the runner wants time, they should ask for it. And I grant it to them if the play is over.

For a runner to believe that they are not obligated to maintain contact with a base until time has been called is almost the same line of thinking as the infielders who ask for time to be called as soon as they have the ball on the perimeter of the infield. Runners may not be done running, and the infielders get all upset when blues don't give them time right then.

All the runner has to do is demonstrate that they are physically able to maintain contact with the base, then ask for time. What is the problem?

I tell you what - If infielders agree to not try to get outs when runners fail to maintain contact with bases in this manner that's perceived as being 'bush league', then runners could then agree that they'll promise to not try to advance to the next base when a fielder throws the ball away while trying to get it back to the pitcher, 'cause that would have to be considered by many to be 'bush league', too.

Or better yet, maybe someone should write the 'Bush League Rulebook' and then someone else could set up the Bush League Official Fourm.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Bluefoot

Was it bush league when Derek Jeter did it against the Red Sox a few year's back and got an out at 2B? ...

So, you're holding up Jeter and the Yankee$ as paragons of good sportsmanship? But, to answer your question, yes, it was.

[dtwsd]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Yet, many would consider this bush league type of play.

I consider it very bush league. I guess thats why it bothered me so much when it kept happening.

[Blu_IN]

It's bush. And the reason why I will throw in an instant time if there is no other potential action on those types of situations. You don't have to wait for the runner to call time, you can do it yourself. That way, you prevent that type of crap from happening.

[BuggBob]

Originally Posted by dtwsd

I consider it very bush league. I guess thats why it bothered me so much when it kept happening.

Bush League -- who cares? Do we call what we see or do we enforce some unwritten 'ethical' standard which may be different from league to league.

When the fielder holds the ball on a runner, if all other play is over I will call time.