Coach wants help making a proper appeal

[wadeintothem]

sounds like a proper appeal to me.

Does dixie require a secret handshake or code word prior to making an appeal?

[NewNCref]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

sounds like a proper appeal to me.

Does dixie require a secret handshake or code word prior to making an appeal?

The pitcher and catcher did not do all that stuff. I was saying they needed to do that.

Coach thought all he needed to do was tell me he wanted an appeal.

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

sounds like a proper appeal to me.

Does dixie require a secret handshake or code word prior to making an appeal?

I wonder if they have a special decoder ring?

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

I wonder if they have a special decoder ring?

HA

Well, I can see saying.. hey coach you gotta have an infielder do it.. or whatever.. but the chirades thing... no go on that.

I sure wouldnt tell a coach to go through all the simon says pitcher must step on on the plate, simon says step off the plate, put your left foot in and shake it all about call time throw the ball, do the twist sing B-I-N-G-O then say "no she touched the base coach."

Would be funny though... but thats just causing trouble over nothing.

[NewNCref]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Would be funny though... but thats just causing trouble over nothing.

In retrospect, I completely agree that it's causing trouble over nothing. I should have just said, "coach, she touched the plate"

Does it change if R1 would be out on appeal? Would you make them do simon-says then?

And also, of course we use a decoder ring. Don't know what you guys working ASA, FED, and NCAA are using.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by NewNCref

In retrospect, I completely agree that it's causing trouble over nothing. I should have just said, "coach, she touched the plate"

Does it change if R1 would be out on appeal? Would you make them do simon-says then?

And also, of course we use a decoder ring. Don't know what you guys working ASA, FED, and NCAA are using.

Personally, I think you'd have to outline the proper way to appeal in your rule set.. simply because you cant play a headgame with the coach & you cant rule "she touched the plate" because he is not appealing according to simon says, so you'd just have to tell him the proper way to do it and rule accordingly.

I'm surprised they dont allow a simple dead ball appeal though.

[NSABlue]

[QUOTE=wadeintothem]Personally, I think you'd have to outline the proper way to appeal in your rule set.. simply because you cant play a headgame with the coach & you cant rule "she touched the plate" because he is not appealing according to simon says, so you'd just have to tell him the proper way to do it and rule accordingly.

I'm surprised they dont allow a simple dead ball appeal though.[/QUOTE]

That's my question, Does Dixie allow a dead ball appeal?

[NewNCref]

Originally Posted by NSABlue

That's my question, Does Dixie allow a dead ball appeal?

No.

Rule 8:08-THE BASERUNNER IS OUT:

(I)- In running or sliding for home plate, she fails to touch home plate and makes no attempt to return to the plate, when a fielder holds the ball in her hand, while touching home plate, and appeals to the umpire for the decision.

Rule 12:00- "Appeals may only be made while the ball is alive. (EXCEPTION: Batting out of order is an appeal play which may be made while the ball is dead.)"

[Daryl H. Long]

I Googled Dixie Ponytail Rules.

According to Rule 12.00 only live ball appeals are allowed. Pitcher has to have ball in the circle and umpire must make ball live. Once the announcement is made they are appealing the pitcher must throw to base missed or go tag it herself to complete the appeal. Runners may advance at own risk after pitcher or ball leaves the circle.

That said Dixie Ponytails must be one of the last organizations to not allow the dead ball appeal. Remember the dead ball appeals bacame popular with most codes because it seemed that only live ball appeals made teams "jump through hoops" to complete it. Additionallly no one was sure of the proper procedure anyway.

Don't take the humorous quips and comments deriding the procedure that some have written personally. You know...jump down spin around pick a dress of cotton, etc. Most of us umpire in codes allowing dead ball appeals so that is why we are so incredulous there is a code sticking only to the archaic way of appealing.

That said I would have handled the situation like some others in this sitch to save time.

As a umpire with 26 years of experience I could quickly run them through the process as a learning tool for both teams. (I would bet the other coach didn't know either).

As a new ump you could just say "Coach, I cannot tell you how to properly appeal. But to save time the runner did touch the plate. Please find out how to properly appeal before asking again during this game"

After the game you could be courteous and tell him the procedure. It should only take a minute or so.

[blueump]

FED is one set of of rules that not only allows dead ball appeals, but also allows a simple verbal appeal. If this were a FED ball, the appeal would already have been done properly, but since this is Pony, the players would have to wait till we had a live ball again. I'm assuming time had been called since the coach was at home plate discussing the play.

[mcrowder]

I would not have told him the runner was safe anyway. I would have simply told him that I cannot tell him how to have his players make a proper appeal... and hope the hint that it was his PLAYERS that had to make the appeal would sink in. Anyone who has watched any baseball has seen a live-ball appeal - the Dixie procedure is the same.

[Dukat]

It is funny because I had this happen to me this weekend as a coach. I umpire Fed and ASA and I was coaching my daughter in a USSSA tournament. I went up to the umpire in a dead ball situation and said "I want to appeal, The runner missed third" He stated "You can if you want to" and then turned around to go back to the plate. He said play ball and I said "I really want to appeal the runner missing third" then he gave the signal. Afterwards, in the inning swap, he stated it had to be a live ball appeal but he did allow me to make it and it was a simple verbal appeal. The next game I had my pitcher wait for the call to play ball then step off and make a verbal appeal which was granted.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Dukat

It is funny because I had this happen to me this weekend as a coach. I umpire Fed and ASA and I was coaching my daughter in a USSSA tournament. I went up to the umpire in a dead ball situation and said "I want to appeal, The runner missed third" He stated "You can if you want to" and then turned around to go back to the plate. He said play ball and I said "I really want to appeal the runner missing third" then he gave the signal. Afterwards, in the inning swap, he stated it had to be a live ball appeal but he did allow me to make it and it was a simple verbal appeal. The next game I had my pitcher wait for the call to play ball then step off and make a verbal appeal which was granted.

Fed allows the coach to make a dead ball appeal. They are the only ones I know of that do. ASA does not. I don't know u-trip rules, but apparently they do not, either.

[Dukat]

You are correct. Our FED season just ended and I guess I had Fed on the mind. Looking at it now, he should not have accepted my first verbal appeal even after the ball went live but I did it correctly the second time.

Even with that said, After looking at all 3; a verbal appeal by a player is all that is required and the ball juggling is not.