Coach wants help making a proper appeal

[NewNCref]

Working a Dixie Ponytails game tonight, and encountered something I never have before. I'm PU, close play at the plate, R1 stealing from 3B on PB, but R1 is safe, under tag by pitcher, so I come up with big "SAFE" call. R1 runs into dugout, and defensive coach asked for time, and comes to see me. "I want to appeal," he says, "She missed home plate." "Okay," I say, "you'll have to make a proper appeal though." Well, turns out the coach doesn't know how to make a proper appeal, and so he wants me to tell him how to make one. I am baffled for a moment, and then tell him that I can't do that. He begins to argue with me, at which point I tell him that he needs to get back in the dugout, and that I will not be telling him how to make a proper appeal.

1.) Should I have told him how to make a proper appeal? My logic was, if I tell him, I could be giving him an unfair advantage. It's his job to know how to make a proper appeal.

2.) Does it change matters that R1 would have still been safe? She clearly touched home plate, so on the appeal she still would have been safe.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

[NSABlue]

Sorry but I'm not familiar with Dixie Ponytail (?) rules. Can the coach make a live ball appeal? You did not say anything in your post about the ball being dead or you having called time out, so I'm wondering, what did you want the coach to do?

[NewNCref]

Originally Posted by NSABlue

Sorry but I'm not familiar with Dixie Ponytail (?) rules. Can the coach make a live ball appeal? You did not say anything in your post about the ball being dead or you having called time out, so I'm wondering, what did you want the coach to do?

I had called time to brush off the plate, after ball was returned to the pitcher. The pitcher needed to take a position in the circle, wait for me to call "play", and then step off, make appeal, throw to catcher, and have catcher touch home plate.

Coach had no idea that he had to do anything other than tell me he thought she missed home plate.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by NewNCref

I had called time to brush off the plate, after ball was returned to the pitcher. The pitcher needed to take a position on the rubber, wait for me to call "play", and then step off, make appeal, throw to catcher, and have catcher touch home plate.

Coach had no idea that he had to do anything other than tell me he thought she missed home plate.

Well considering she touched home plate.. just tell him she touched it.. and go on. The secret society stuff wastes time.

If she had missed it, Id go ahead and just outline the 38 step re-live ball appeal for the coach.

[wadeintothem]

sounds like a proper appeal to me.

Does dixie require a secret handshake or code word prior to making an appeal?

[NewNCref]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

sounds like a proper appeal to me.

Does dixie require a secret handshake or code word prior to making an appeal?

The pitcher and catcher did not do all that stuff. I was saying they needed to do that.

Coach thought all he needed to do was tell me he wanted an appeal.

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

sounds like a proper appeal to me.

Does dixie require a secret handshake or code word prior to making an appeal?

I wonder if they have a special decoder ring?

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

I wonder if they have a special decoder ring?

HA

Well, I can see saying.. hey coach you gotta have an infielder do it.. or whatever.. but the chirades thing... no go on that.

I sure wouldnt tell a coach to go through all the simon says pitcher must step on on the plate, simon says step off the plate, put your left foot in and shake it all about call time throw the ball, do the twist sing B-I-N-G-O then say "no she touched the base coach."

Would be funny though... but thats just causing trouble over nothing.

[NewNCref]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Would be funny though... but thats just causing trouble over nothing.

In retrospect, I completely agree that it's causing trouble over nothing. I should have just said, "coach, she touched the plate"

Does it change if R1 would be out on appeal? Would you make them do simon-says then?

And also, of course we use a decoder ring. Don't know what you guys working ASA, FED, and NCAA are using.

[blueump]

FED is one set of of rules that not only allows dead ball appeals, but also allows a simple verbal appeal. If this were a FED ball, the appeal would already have been done properly, but since this is Pony, the players would have to wait till we had a live ball again. I'm assuming time had been called since the coach was at home plate discussing the play.

[mcrowder]

I would not have told him the runner was safe anyway. I would have simply told him that I cannot tell him how to have his players make a proper appeal... and hope the hint that it was his PLAYERS that had to make the appeal would sink in. Anyone who has watched any baseball has seen a live-ball appeal - the Dixie procedure is the same.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by NewNCref

Working a Dixie Ponytails game tonight, and encountered something I never have before. I'm PU, close play at the plate, R1 stealing from 3B on PB, but R1 is safe, under tag by pitcher, so I come up with big "SAFE" call. R1 runs into dugout, and defensive coach asked for time, and comes to see me. "I want to appeal," he says, "She missed home plate." "Okay," I say, "you'll have to make a proper appeal though." Well, turns out the coach doesn't know how to make a proper appeal, and so he wants me to tell him how to make one. I am baffled for a moment, and then tell him that I can't do that. He begins to argue with me, at which point I tell him that he needs to get back in the dugout, and that I will not be telling him how to make a proper appeal.

1.) Should I have told him how to make a proper appeal? My logic was, if I tell him, I could be giving him an unfair advantage. It's his job to know how to make a proper appeal.

2.) Does it change matters that R1 would have still been safe? She clearly touched home plate, so on the appeal she still would have been safe.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

I think you made the proper statement.

It is the coach's job to know the rules.

After the game I would have been more than willing to educate the coach on the proper appeal and where to find it in the rule book.