Coach wants help making a proper appeal

[NSABlue]

Sorry but I'm not familiar with Dixie Ponytail (?) rules. Can the coach make a live ball appeal? You did not say anything in your post about the ball being dead or you having called time out, so I'm wondering, what did you want the coach to do?

[NewNCref]

Originally Posted by NSABlue

Sorry but I'm not familiar with Dixie Ponytail (?) rules. Can the coach make a live ball appeal? You did not say anything in your post about the ball being dead or you having called time out, so I'm wondering, what did you want the coach to do?

I had called time to brush off the plate, after ball was returned to the pitcher. The pitcher needed to take a position in the circle, wait for me to call "play", and then step off, make appeal, throw to catcher, and have catcher touch home plate.

Coach had no idea that he had to do anything other than tell me he thought she missed home plate.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by NewNCref

I had called time to brush off the plate, after ball was returned to the pitcher. The pitcher needed to take a position on the rubber, wait for me to call "play", and then step off, make appeal, throw to catcher, and have catcher touch home plate.

Coach had no idea that he had to do anything other than tell me he thought she missed home plate.

Well considering she touched home plate.. just tell him she touched it.. and go on. The secret society stuff wastes time.

If she had missed it, Id go ahead and just outline the 38 step re-live ball appeal for the coach.

[wadeintothem]

sounds like a proper appeal to me.

Does dixie require a secret handshake or code word prior to making an appeal?

[NewNCref]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

sounds like a proper appeal to me.

Does dixie require a secret handshake or code word prior to making an appeal?

The pitcher and catcher did not do all that stuff. I was saying they needed to do that.

Coach thought all he needed to do was tell me he wanted an appeal.

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

sounds like a proper appeal to me.

Does dixie require a secret handshake or code word prior to making an appeal?

I wonder if they have a special decoder ring?

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

I wonder if they have a special decoder ring?

HA

Well, I can see saying.. hey coach you gotta have an infielder do it.. or whatever.. but the chirades thing... no go on that.

I sure wouldnt tell a coach to go through all the simon says pitcher must step on on the plate, simon says step off the plate, put your left foot in and shake it all about call time throw the ball, do the twist sing B-I-N-G-O then say "no she touched the base coach."

Would be funny though... but thats just causing trouble over nothing.

[NewNCref]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Would be funny though... but thats just causing trouble over nothing.

In retrospect, I completely agree that it's causing trouble over nothing. I should have just said, "coach, she touched the plate"

Does it change if R1 would be out on appeal? Would you make them do simon-says then?

And also, of course we use a decoder ring. Don't know what you guys working ASA, FED, and NCAA are using.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by NewNCref

In retrospect, I completely agree that it's causing trouble over nothing. I should have just said, "coach, she touched the plate"

Does it change if R1 would be out on appeal? Would you make them do simon-says then?

And also, of course we use a decoder ring. Don't know what you guys working ASA, FED, and NCAA are using.

Personally, I think you'd have to outline the proper way to appeal in your rule set.. simply because you cant play a headgame with the coach & you cant rule "she touched the plate" because he is not appealing according to simon says, so you'd just have to tell him the proper way to do it and rule accordingly.

I'm surprised they dont allow a simple dead ball appeal though.

[NSABlue]

[QUOTE=wadeintothem]Personally, I think you'd have to outline the proper way to appeal in your rule set.. simply because you cant play a headgame with the coach & you cant rule "she touched the plate" because he is not appealing according to simon says, so you'd just have to tell him the proper way to do it and rule accordingly.

I'm surprised they dont allow a simple dead ball appeal though.[/QUOTE]

That's my question, Does Dixie allow a dead ball appeal?

[blueump]

FED is one set of of rules that not only allows dead ball appeals, but also allows a simple verbal appeal. If this were a FED ball, the appeal would already have been done properly, but since this is Pony, the players would have to wait till we had a live ball again. I'm assuming time had been called since the coach was at home plate discussing the play.

[mcrowder]

I would not have told him the runner was safe anyway. I would have simply told him that I cannot tell him how to have his players make a proper appeal... and hope the hint that it was his PLAYERS that had to make the appeal would sink in. Anyone who has watched any baseball has seen a live-ball appeal - the Dixie procedure is the same.

[Dukat]

It is funny because I had this happen to me this weekend as a coach. I umpire Fed and ASA and I was coaching my daughter in a USSSA tournament. I went up to the umpire in a dead ball situation and said "I want to appeal, The runner missed third" He stated "You can if you want to" and then turned around to go back to the plate. He said play ball and I said "I really want to appeal the runner missing third" then he gave the signal. Afterwards, in the inning swap, he stated it had to be a live ball appeal but he did allow me to make it and it was a simple verbal appeal. The next game I had my pitcher wait for the call to play ball then step off and make a verbal appeal which was granted.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Dukat

It is funny because I had this happen to me this weekend as a coach. I umpire Fed and ASA and I was coaching my daughter in a USSSA tournament. I went up to the umpire in a dead ball situation and said "I want to appeal, The runner missed third" He stated "You can if you want to" and then turned around to go back to the plate. He said play ball and I said "I really want to appeal the runner missing third" then he gave the signal. Afterwards, in the inning swap, he stated it had to be a live ball appeal but he did allow me to make it and it was a simple verbal appeal. The next game I had my pitcher wait for the call to play ball then step off and make a verbal appeal which was granted.

Fed allows the coach to make a dead ball appeal. They are the only ones I know of that do. ASA does not. I don't know u-trip rules, but apparently they do not, either.