Hit or error?

[Zwetschke]

There is a runner on second base. The batter hits a grounder to the shortstop. The shortstop fields the ball cleanly and throws the ball to second base. Batter reaches first safely and runner that was at second advances to third. No physical errors, but no outs are made. How do you score the at bat?

[mcrowder]

Hit. . . .. .

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Zwetschke

There is a runner on second base. The batter hits a grounder to the shortstop. The shortstop fields the ball cleanly and throws the ball to second base. Batter reaches first safely and runner that was at second advances to third. No physical errors, but no outs are made. How do you score the at bat?

Fielder's inappropriate choice.

[justmom]

I'm with Dakota on this one. Score it a fielder's choice.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by justmom

I'm with Dakota on this one. Score it a fielder's choice.

FC must be accompanied by either an out or an error. No out or error - no FC.

[Skahtboi]

It is, quite simply and as mcrowder has already stated, a hit.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

FC must be accompanied by either an out or an error. No out or error - no FC.

I apologize - I did something here that trolls do, and I hate it when they do.

Generalized statement that applies perfectly to this situation ... but not to ALL situations. It IS possible to get an FC that doesn't result in an out or an error. Just not in anything resembling THIS scenario.

[Dakota]

At least IamMatt got my joke... Thanks, Matt.

[argodad]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

FC must be accompanied by either an out or an error. No out or error - no FC.

I disagree mcrowder. If the BR should have / could have been retired by a routine throw to first, but the fielder made the choice (however inappropriate) to make a play on another runner, it's a FC -- even if they didn't commit an error or get an out.

Now of course, if it's the "HS mom scorer" all bets are off. The batter gets a hit, the runner gets a stolen base, and if we can find an RBI, we'll throw that in there, too.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by argodad

I disagree mcrowder. If the BR should have / could have been retired by a routine throw to first, but the fielder made the choice (however inappropriate) to make a play on another runner, it's a FC -- even if they didn't commit an error or get an out.

Now of course, if it's the "HS mom scorer" all bets are off. The batter gets a hit, the runner gets a stolen base, and if we can find an RBI, we'll throw that in there, too.

Throwing to a base where no play is developing is not making a play on another runner. This is no different from a fielder tossing it to another fielder so that other fielder can throw to first. This one is a hit.

If the fielder had thrown to 3rd, it would be an FC.

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

FC must be accompanied by either an out or an error. No out or error - no FC.

Where did come up with this misinformation? Anytime a fielder tries to put out a runner OTHER than the BR, and everyone is safe, and there is no error, it is a FIELDER'S CHOICE. Unless the official scorer believes the BR would have beaten the throw to 1B.

OBR RULE 2 DEFINITIONS: FIELDER'S CHOICE is the act of a fielder who handles a fair grounder and, instead of throwing to first base to put out the batter runner, throws to another base in an attempt to put out a preceding runner. The term is also used by scorers

a) to account for the advance of the batter runner who takes one or more extra bases when the fielder who handles his safe hit attempts to put out a preceding runner;

(b) to account for the advance of a runner (other than by stolen base or error) while a fielder is attempting to put out another runner; and

(c) to account for the advance of a runner made solely because of the defensive team's indifference (undefended steal).

Bob

[mcrowder]

And THIS is why I put in the post 2 or 3 down from there. Thanks BZ.

[IamMatt]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Fielder's inappropriate choice.

I laughed out loud at that one!

[Paul L]

Originally Posted by Zwetschke

There is a runner on second base. The batter hits a grounder to the shortstop. The shortstop fields the ball cleanly and throws the ball to second base. Batter reaches first safely and runner that was at second advances to third. No physical errors, but no outs are made. How do you score the at bat?

No outs, no runs.

[JefferMC]

Until a couple of weeks ago, I would have scored it a hit. I've changed my mind, in part based upon the following:

From the NCAA scoring rules:

Section 7. A fielder's choice is credited in the following situations:

a. To a batter:
...
2. When a ball is put in play and the lead runner is safe but the batter would have been out had the initial play gone to first base.