Doctored Bats

[NCASAUmp]

I mentioned that I would bring this up in another thread, so here goes...

In one of the local leagues, we have a player who reportedly is getting his bats doctored. He'll buy a bat that's on the banned list for having too much "pop" (probably a Freak Plus), send it off to a bat doctor to have it stripped down and painted to look like a Freak 98, then use it in recreational games. One of our umpires knows the UPS driver who delivers to this player's private business (unrelated to softball), and the driver has told our umpire that this guy receives a shipment of about 10 bats early in the spring, ships them back out to somewhere else the next day. Then, a week or two later, the bats come back. During the games, when he hits one out, the batter on deck knows to grab his bat and put it in the dugout right away.

Believe me when I tell you that whoever is doctoring these bats is GOOD. Our own state UIC has looked at them (he's in the area), and not even he can tell if they're fake.

The question becomes: in a local league, what, if anything, can be done about this? He's playing in local co-ed recreational games, and many of the opposing players are very inexperienced. It's only a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt, or even worse. Supposedly, these are Freak 98s, but all of us know better.

It has been stated by another forum member that bat manufacturers do not use primer on their bats, so no primer should be found if the bats' paint is cracking/peeling. Are there any other suggestions for spotting these doctored bats?

I'm glad to see ASA is taking a stand against this. They've already won one lawsuit (and smartly, at that!), and I'm sure more will follow.

[celebur]

Sounds like all you have is hearsay.

I would strongly advise against any kind of 'scratch' test to look for primer under the paint. About the only thing I can see is if the testimony of this UPS driver would convince the league to confiscate one of the allegedly doctored bats and have it tested to the ASA bat-performance standards. That's the only definitive solution that doesn't also damage the bat. But of course it costs money to run this test.

This is actually a serious allegation. If the player is guilty, he should be banned for life. But what if he really is just a good hitter? All of the 'evidence' presented is circumstantial at best.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by celebur

Sounds like all you have is hearsay.

I would strongly advise against any kind of 'scratch' test to look for primer under the paint. About the only thing I can see is if the testimony of this UPS driver would convince the league to confiscate one of the allegedly doctored bats and have it tested to the ASA bat-performance standards. That's the only definitive solution that doesn't also damage the bat. But of course it costs money to run this test.

This is actually a serious allegation. If the player is guilty, he should be banned for life. But what if he really is just a good hitter? All of the 'evidence' presented is circumstantial at best.

I agree that it's all hearsay, and I know it's a very serious allegation. He's a very seasoned player, but you can tell that when he puts one out, it's the bat. The ball just flies well beyond what a Freak 98 should give him, and considering the actions of his teammates (grabbing the bat and almost hiding it once he puts one out), things are just adding up.

I'll talk with the other ump who knows the UPS driver, and I'll talk with my boss about it. If the report about the UPS driver story holds true, I (or my boss) will forward it on to the director of the league.

Any other tell-tale signs of a doctored bat that you've found?

[AtlUmpSteve]

The best suggestion I can give you is to treat those bats like a used car that had body work. Look for ANY blemish in the paint finish, look for any overspray or paint overrun on the endcaps or the grips. Make sure that the Freak logo is perfectly flush, and not a raised logo.

Finally, I believe that you have the final judgment in a pregame bat check. If you doubt that bat, simply state that it cannot be used that night "in your judgment". Force the local league to either support you, or overturn you. Either way, they then accept and assume all liability for the results.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

...this guy receives a shipment of about 10 bats early in the spring, ships them back out to somewhere else the next day. Then, a week or two later, the bats come back. ....

So, he is spending $2000 - 3000 per year just to hit a few illegal home runs in a rec softball league?

Maybe the simplest way to handle this is to tell his wife!

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Dakota

So, he is spending $2000 - 3000 per year just to hit a few illegal home runs in a rec softball league?

Maybe the simplest way to handle this is to tell his wife!

Dakota:

Are you a divorce lawyer?

MTD, Sr.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Dakota

So, he is spending $2000 - 3000 per year just to hit a few illegal home runs in a rec softball league?

Maybe the simplest way to handle this is to tell his wife!

Heh... Well, if he's buying 10 a year, he's probably selling them to buddies of his (further complicating the issue). He also owns his own business, so his wife, if the jerk even has one, probably doesn't even know.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Go here:

http://downloads.asasoftball.com/ump...ctoredBats.pdf

This is the format of the breakout given at the UIC clinic this year. It would be much better if you had someone who attended this session give accompanying (is that a word?) information, but this gives you a start.

Also, if it is a Miken, get the serial number off the questionable bat and call OKC. They will contact Miken and confirm the serial number belongs to that bat. If the number or any of the graphics on the bat are a decal, the bag most likely has been painted as Miken states they do not use decals.

[NCASAUmp]

Mike, that is exactly the kind of information I've been looking for. I very much appreciate you sending the link. If the Miken bat doesn't have the serial, would you say it's been doctored? Some can slip through the cracks during the manufacturing process.

And yes, "accompanying" is a word.

[Fozzie]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Mike, that is exactly the kind of information I've been looking for. I very much appreciate you sending the link. If the Miken bat doesn't have the serial, would you say it's been doctored? Some can slip through the cracks during the manufacturing process.

And yes, "accompanying" is a word.

If it does not have a serial number it should be considered doctored. I believe even Miken would tell you that. Also check to see if the serial number is a decal. If it is you got a doctored bat.

Two years ago I was working a Class C National in Hastings, NE. Several umpires, including myself, suspected a bat was doctored in just the way you described. It was pulled and sent to Oaklahoma City and found to repainted non-approved bat. I later heard that the owner/player was suspended from ASA play.

On a diffrent note where do you umpire at NCASAUmp? I work in the Charlotte area myself.

Jeff Merriman

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Mike, that is exactly the kind of information I've been looking for. I very much appreciate you sending the link. If the Miken bat doesn't have the serial, would you say it's been doctored? Some can slip through the cracks during the manufacturing process.

And yes, "accompanying" is a word.

No, Miken will tell you every bat has a serial number. If it doesn't, it is probably a painted bat.

BTW, please note that even a legal bat painted by anyone other than the manufacturer is an altered bat.

[NCASAUmp]

I realize this is an old post, but I'm following up on it with new information.

We finally caught the S.O.B. I spotted the pry marks on the end cap (thanks, Mike, for posting that link to the ASA doctored bats PDF), and I told the team to get rid of the bat. I warned my PU that I had spotted an Easton Synergy SCN8 with pry marks. The owner of the bat put it back in his bag, but didn't tell anyone else I'd tossed it.

Later in the game, his teammate pulled out the bat, as it's one of his favorites (wonder why). With one hit, the end cap flew off, and upon examination, I found weights glued to the end cap.

We tossed the batter, but let the owner of the bat stay. I pondered tossing him as well, but decided against it. His teammates were staring, glaring, and cussing him up and down.

I'll admit I feel terrible for his coach, as I know she's a fine, upstanding coach and good member of the community. She's probably still fuming.

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

With one hit, the end cap flew off, and upon examination, I found weights glued to the end cap.

Now that made me chuckle--reminds me of a big leaguer breaking his bat and sending cork all over the field. Good job.

[steev27]

there is no way to tell for sure a bat is altered or doctored in ur words a painted bat is impossible to tell as far as it being a freak 98 i just sold my freak 98 that was hitting 330 ft bombs right out of the wrapper and its a true freak98 my friendone at the same store same time as i did and his is like hitting a canoe paddle all bats are different even the same model some are hot some are not further investigation needs to be done before accusations are made

[Andy]

Originally Posted by steev27

there is no way to tell for sure a bat is altered or doctored in ur words a painted bat is impossible to tell as far as it being a freak 98 i just sold my freak 98 that was hitting 330 ft bombs right out of the wrapper and its a true freak98 my friendone at the same store same time as i did and his is like hitting a canoe paddle all bats are different even the same model some are hot some are not further investigation needs to be done before accusations are made

Whaaaat????