A walk is as good as a hit...maybe

[mcrowder]

OBR's rule is much like jim thought it was in ASA. I'd have to look up FED again to know theirs for sure.

[Bluefoot]

Originally Posted by Dakota

I know there is a custom (especially in MLB) that in this situation the only runners that matter are R1 and the BR.

Ask Fred Merkle, 1908 New York Giants. He missed 2B. Does matter. He ended up becoming a Viagra spokesman.

[bkbjones]

Originally Posted by Bluefoot

Ask Fred Merkle, 1908 New York Giants. He missed 2B. Does matter. He ended up becoming a Viagra spokesman.

Yep, actually Merkle didn't advance to second even though he was forced.

All kinds of interesting stuff about that play...and of course that season.

Hank O'Day, the base umpire who was almost kidnapped by the Cubs to discuss the call and determine Merkle was out and the winning run had not scored, had been a pitcher for several years, and was a manager in the major leagues.

Many umpires still worked one-man games in the major leagues at that time. Bill Emslie, the plate umpire, actually preferred to work one-man, but the NL president forced him to use a partner for the Cubs-Giants season. It was not unusual for important series and games to have two umpires, while other less important series and games used a single umpire. Neither league employed enough umpires in 1908 to use two umpires at each game. (I believe NL had 7 umpires and AL had 6...but it might be the other way around.)

The Giants have been to, and won, World Series since 1908. The Cubs have Steve Bartmann.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by bkbjones

Yep, actually Merkle didn't advance to second even though he was forced.

All kinds of interesting stuff about that play...and of course that season.

Hank O'Day, the base umpire who was almost kidnapped by the Cubs to discuss the call and determine Merkle was out and the winning run had not scored, had been a pitcher for several years, and was a manager in the major leagues.

Many umpires still worked one-man games in the major leagues at that time. Bill Emslie, the plate umpire, actually preferred to work one-man, but the NL president forced him to use a partner for the Cubs-Giants season. It was not unusual for important series and games to have two umpires, while other less important series and games used a single umpire. Neither league employed enough umpires in 1908 to use two umpires at each game. (I believe NL had 7 umpires and AL had 6...but it might be the other way around.)

The Giants have been to, and won, World Series since 1908. The Cubs have Steve Bartmann.

It is also interesting to note that umpires in 1908, according to accounts of the game, were not consistent in upholding appeals of this nature. There is also doubt that the ball used in the appeal was the game ball(one report had the Giants tossing the ball into the stands when they realized what was about to happen).

[CecilOne]

One thing we often let affect our comments on this forum is too much emphasis on the game situation, timing, etc. With some exceptions, the rules are written in the abstract, not specifically for any inning, or number of outs, or for game-ending, or for tie scores, etc. An obvious exception is whether runs count on third out plays, but that does not say anything about game-endings, tie scores or how the B (batter) becomes a BR (batter-runner).

I think everyone should go back and read IrishMafia's first post in this topic.