Scoring of runs????

[Keith]

I'm having some trouble understanding the suttle differances in these rules.

ASA-Rule 5 sec 5b1 page 82
B. no run shall be scored if the third out of an inning is the result of:
1. a batter runner being called prior to reaching first base or any other runner forced out due to the batter becoming a batter runner. On an appeal play, THE FORCE OUT IS DETERMINED WHEN THE APPEAL IS MADE, NOT WHEN THE INFRATION OCCOURED.


NCAA-Rule 7 sec 1e1 page 84
e. With regard to the scoring of runs:
1. If there are sufficient outs before the appeal on a runner so that the
appeal becomes the third out, no runners shall score. If the appeal is
at a base to which the runner was forced at the time of the infraction,
no runs can score on the play.
2. If a runner leaves a base before a fly ball is first touched and returns
in an attempt to retag, this is considered a timing play and not a
force out. If the appeal is the third out, all runs scored by runners in
advance of the appealed runner who scored before the legal appeal
was made, would count.
3. An appeal may be made after the third out that could nullify a run.

NFHS-Rule 9 sec 1 art 1 exceptions page 73 of 2006 rule book
Exceptions: a run is not scored if the runner advances to home plateduring action in which the the third out is made as follows:
1. by the batter-runner before touching first base;
2.by abother runner being forced out
3. by the proceding runner who is declared out because of failing to touch one of the bases;
4. when a third out is declared on an appeal play resulting in a force out (this play takes precedence if enforcing of it would negate a score).

There was an excellant article in Refree magazine about a year ago on these rules differances. I guess I lost that issue. If someone can explain the differances and some case plays that would be great.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by Keith

I'm having some trouble understanding the suttle differances in these rules.

ASA-Rule 5 sec 5b1 page 82
NCAA-Rule 7 sec 1e1 page 84
NFHS-Rule 9 sec 1 art 1 exceptions page 73 of 2006 rule book

Sorry I don't know how to cut & paste the text and I'm to slow of a typist.

There was an excellant article in Refree magazine about a year ago on these rules differances. I guess I lost that issue. If someone can explain the differances and some case plays that would be great.

Most of us get on here from work --- you're probably going to need to post the rules you're talking about, or wait until someone else does.

[mcrowder]

The purpose for the line capitalized by the OP is for this specific case:

R1 on 2nd, R2 on 1st - single to the outfield. R1 scores, R2 misses 2nd and advances to 3rd. BR is subsequently put out. Then the defense appeals the miss at 2nd. In a normal case where BR had not been put out, the appeal at 2nd would be considered a force play, nullifying the run if that appeal was the 3rd out. In THIS case, with BR being put out, when the appeal is made at 2nd, R1 is no longer forced at 2nd (with no BR, she could theoretically return to first), thus the capitalized section of the rule is telling us that since the appealed base is not a forced base at the time of the appeal, it is not considered a force ... and the run DOES score.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

No, in ASA if the appeal is on a runner who was (and still is) forced to advance to the base at which she's appealed, the appeal of that base means a run cannot score (assuming that appeal is the 3rd out).

The purpose for the line capitalized by the OP is for this specific case:

R1 on 2nd, R2 on 1st - single to the outfield. R1 scores, R2 misses 2nd and advances to 3rd. BR is subsequently put out. Then the defense appeals the miss at 2nd. In a normal case where BR had not been put out, the appeal at 2nd would be considered a force play, nullifying the run if that appeal was the 3rd out. In THIS case, with BR being put out, when the appeal is made at 2nd, R1 is no longer forced at 2nd (with no BR, she could theoretically return to first), thus the capitalized section of the rule is telling us that since the appealed base is not a forced base at the time of the appeal, it is not considered a force ... and the run DOES score.

Yeah, I was completely "off-base", I guess into some other rule. I deleted my comment, can you do the same?

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Yeah, I was completely "off-base", I guess into some other rule. I deleted my comment, can you do the same?

Sort of ... how's that?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

Sort of ... how's that?

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