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Old Wed Feb 28, 2007, 05:06pm
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INT or not?

Situation: With no outs, R1 on 3B and R2 on 2B, B3 hits a ground ball to F5, who deflects the batted ball toward F6. While attempting to field the deflected batted ball, F6 collides with R2 who is advancing toward 3B.

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Old Wed Feb 28, 2007, 05:13pm
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Situation: With no outs, R1 on 3B and R2 on 2B, B3 hits a ground ball to F5, who deflects the batted ball toward F6. While attempting to field the deflected batted ball, F6 collides with R2 who is advancing toward 3B.

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Old Wed Feb 28, 2007, 05:18pm
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Situation: With no outs, R1 on 3B and R2 on 2B, B3 hits a ground ball to F5, who deflects the batted ball toward F6. While attempting to field the deflected batted ball, F6 collides with R2 who is advancing toward 3B.

What's your call?
Depends on rule set and my judgment. IOW, there is no standard cookie cutter answer to this one without more information.
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Old Wed Feb 28, 2007, 05:47pm
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The wording sounds very much like that of a question from an ASA test of a couple of years ago. The answer was no interference.

But you have to see it. "F6 collides with R2" appears to indicate that it was more the fielder chasing the ball and running into the runner than vice versa. If the fielder was stationary in trying to field the deflected ball and the runner then ran into the fielder, that would probably be considered avoidable and would qualify as interference. It's a HTBT.
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Old Wed Feb 28, 2007, 05:57pm
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Old Wed Feb 28, 2007, 05:57pm
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Situation: With no outs, R1 on 3B and R2 on 2B, B3 hits a ground ball to F5, who deflects the batted ball toward F6. While attempting to field the deflected batted ball, F6 collides with R2 who is advancing toward 3B.

What's your call?

Edited: ASA Rules
This was one of the examples used for this year's Fed presentation. In Fed ball, it's obstruction. And, with F6 colliding with the runner, you're going to have a problem in ASA having anything other than obstruction.
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Old Wed Feb 28, 2007, 06:02pm
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And, with F6 colliding with the runner, you're going to have a problem in ASA having anything other than obstruction.
Why would there be a problem with calling INT on R2? - F6 is attempting to field a batted ball, and is considered to be making a play, per this year's addition to Rule 1 of the "play" definition.
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Old Wed Feb 28, 2007, 06:27pm
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No, F6 is attempting to field a deflected batted ball

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Why would there be a problem with calling INT on R2? - F6 is attempting to field a batted ball, and is considered to be making a play, per this year's addition to Rule 1 of the "play" definition.
Interference on the runner has to be intentional, even with this years changes, on a deflected ball.
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Old Wed Feb 28, 2007, 06:32pm
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Interference on the runner has to be intentional, even with this years changes, on a deflected ball.
Looking for a citation that reflects this.
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Old Wed Feb 28, 2007, 06:43pm
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Rule 8-7-J-4

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