Political Correctness (or Being Stupid Enough To Buy This Crap!)

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by greymule

Wasn't the NCAA trying to ban from postseason play any team named after Indians? Is that still "operative"?

Yep. I believe last week that William and Mary was informed the school will be allowed to retain the word "Tribe", but the feathers in the logo and any other reference to Indians would need to go.

Personally, I'd just rather see the schools tell the NCAA to take a hike.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Yep. I believe last week that William and Mary was informed the school will be allowed to retain the word "Tribe", but the feathers in the logo and any other reference to Indians would need to go.

Personally, I'd just rather see the schools tell the NCAA to take a hike.

It's absolutely amazing that this "rule" is only being enforced against small schools. Florida State was granted an excemption, for example. I guess that was when they still expected their football team to be good. Maybe we should change the names of most of the midwestern states while were at it. My guess is not too many tribal members were consulted about the names Missouri, Illinois, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, the Dakotas, ...

The initial subject of this thread says it all "Being Stupid Enough To Buy This Crap!"

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

It's absolutely amazing that this "rule" is only being enforced against small schools. Florida State was granted an excemption, for example. I guess that was when they still expected their football team to be good.

FSU received an exemption because the standing council of a Seminole sect completely supports the portrayal and, supposedly, are consulted as to garb and actions the "mascot" performs. Granted, not all Seminoles agree, but apparently the council carries enough weight in the eyes of the NCAA.

[tcblue13]

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[greymule]

Missouri, Illinois, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, the Dakotas

Oregon, Utah, Hawaii, Alaska, Arizona, Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, Montana, Tennessee, Kentucky, Nevada, and bunch more also have to go.

Connecticut and Massachusetts, too, I guess. Vermont. Hey, New Mexico and Texas. Ohio. Delaware. California.

The states not named for Indians are derived from Great Britain: the Carolinas, Virginia, New Jersey, New York, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, Georgia. That's got to be some kind of oppression of somebody.

Without a map, I guess Washington and Colorado (Spanish) are the only non-Indian and non-British.

Oh, well, a few decades from now all the states will have been renamed. I hate to think for whom.

[BretMan]

Boy, am I glad I'm a fan of the Ohio State Buckeyes.

What special interest group could ever object to a "slightly poisonous, glossy and chesnut-brown seed-nut, contained in a spiny, two-inch hull".

Wait! The vegans! Our nickname is a clear case of botanical exploitation!

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by BretMan

Boy, am I glad I'm a fan of the Ohio State Buckeyes.

What special interest group could ever object to a "slightly poisonous, glossy and chesnut-brown seed-nut, contained in a spiny, two-inch hull".

Wait! The vegans! Our nickname is a clear case of botanical exploitation!

Are you sure about that? I always imagined a forest full of blind male deer... that would have PETA on your case, too!

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Are you sure about that? I always imagined a forest full of blind male deer... that would have PETA on your case, too!

And what about the inadequacy of the "two inch hull?" I am sure that would bring the wrath of the US Navy Department and ASA(American Shipbuilding Association....what did you think I meant?).

[NDblue]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Personally, I'd just rather see the schools tell the NCAA to take a hike.

And UND (University of North Dakota) is doing just that. They're taking the NCAA to court over the matter for breach of contract and a couple other complaints. This whole deal with the NCAA is a freakin' joke.

Originally Posted by Dakota

It's absolutely amazing that this "rule" is only being enforced against small schools. Florida State was granted an excemption, for example. I guess that was when they still expected their football team to be good.

What about UND's football and hockey programs? UND has been one of the top Div II football teams for a long time and their hockey team is expected to take top honors in Div I every year. There aren't very many collegiate hockey teams better than the Fighting Sioux. The Lakota tribe should be proud of the school and team.

[Alaska Ump]

Originally Posted by greymule

Oregon, Utah, Hawaii, Alaska, Arizona, Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, Montana, Tennessee, Kentucky, Nevada, and bunch more also have to go.

Connecticut and Massachusetts, too, I guess. Vermont. Hey, New Mexico and Texas. Ohio. Delaware. California.

The states not named for Indians are derived from Great Britain: the Carolinas, Virginia, New Jersey, New York, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, Georgia. That's got to be some kind of oppression of somebody.

Without a map, I guess Washington and Colorado (Spanish) are the only non-Indian and non-British.

Oh, well, a few decades from now all the states will have been renamed. I hate to think for whom.

I'm too lazy to check the etymology of all your examples and show that your theory is incorrect. Suffice it to say that Alaska is not "named for Indians." There is no Alaska tribe. Alaska is a word in an Indian language (I believe Denai) meaning "the great land."

Florida, Montana, California and Nevada are all clearly derived from Spanish. Louisiana is named after a French king. The isle of Rhodes is in the Aegean sea. That's just off the top of my head without consulting a map or any etymology references. I would hate to do real research and demolish your pointless thesis.

And, no, the NCAA has never banned teams from post-season play if they have an "offensive" name.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Alaska Ump

And, no, the NCAA has never banned teams from post-season play if they have an "offensive" name.

Semantics. The have to change or not display in any way their nickname / mascot or they are banned. I suppose you are correct - they can have a secret offensive mascot.

[NDblue]

They're not banned from play, they're just banned from hosting a tournament.

Ralph Engelstad Arena in Grand Forks, North Dakota (Home of the Fighting Sioux) was built to the late Ralph Engelstad wants. He wanted every other tile on the floor to be the Fighting Sioux mascot and that's what was put down. There are over 10,000 Fighting Sioux mascot images on the floor of the arena along with several hundred posters, banners, etc., hanging from the walls. For UND to host an NCAA tournament, they would have to remove or cover up every single one of these "offensive" floor tiles and wall hangings. (I put offensive in quotes because I don't believe they are offensive in any way) Per the Ralph Engelstad Will, the Fighting Sioux nickname will forever stay with UND or his estate will pull every single penny the school gets from his estate (and it's a LOT of money).

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by NDblue

They're not banned from play, they're just banned from hosting a tournament.

Not true. What is banned is displaying American Indian imagery and nicknames by school representatives at postseason tournaments. Mascots are not be allowed to perform at tournament games, and band members and cheerleaders will also be barred from using Indian images on their uniforms beginning in 2008. Schools with American Indian mascots are ALSO barred from hosting future NCAA postseason events. Hosting tournament is an ALSO, not a JUST.

They will not be allowed to play if they have Indian imagry on their uniforms, on their cheerleaders' uniforms, or on their band members' uniforms, and their mascots will not be allowed to perform. So, if they hide their nickname, they will be allowed to play.

Idiotic and hypocritical rule.